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How Alex Schulman Lured Gustaf Skarsgård on Board ‘Adult Supervision’

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It is equally as intriguing as it is concerning that so much of Alex Schulman’s debut feature, Adult Supervision, is inspired by real-life events.

Like his protagonist, Bill, the first-time filmmaker — also a famed author, journalist and podcaster in his native Sweden — chaperoned a school trip to the Stockholm Archipelago in a bid to reconnect with his daughter. “We had such a close, close relationship when she was a child, and then all of a sudden, I just noticed that as I got into her room, she left it,” Schulman tells The Hollywood Reporter outside Zurich‘s Hotel Ambassador this week. “It was the saddest thing, and then I said to my wife, ‘I’m going to go on the trip because I need to get her back.’”

Thankfully, now 17, Schulman’s daughter has resurfaced from under the choppy waters of teen angst and rediscovered that precious connection with her father. But the aforementioned class excursion had already left a profound impact on Schulman. It not only served as the basis for an entire film about the particularly chaotic trifecta of paternity, masculinity and childhood trauma, but would also make an Oscar hopeful out of the newly anointed director, whose Adult Supervision — premiering at the Zurich Film Festival this week — has been selected as Sweden’s official pick for best international feature at the Academy Awards.

It also gave him the irresistible opportunity to work once again with Gustaf Skarsgård (son of Stellan, brother of Alexander and Bill), with whom Schulman once had a complicated relationship. “We were very bad friends because I have a podcast, and we were making fun of him on this podcast,” he begins.

The long-running Alex & Sigges podcast is, according to Schulman, the biggest pod in Scandinavia. So when this particular member of the beloved Swedish acting dynasty released a rap song, Schulman’s mocking of the video played out pretty publicly in the press. “I get so angry, offended, proud and sad and a little murderous,” Skarsgård reportedly told Swedish press about Schulman and his co-host Sigge Eklund some years ago. “And then I think: ‘But what the hell, come on, laugh at yourself a little and have a little distance. [And] fuck those two.’”

Schulman smiles as he talks about it now. “Gustaf was very angry, so he went out publicly and [said] what he thought about us, and then we had a war for a couple of years,” he explains. But in 2022, Schulman had written a monologic stage show, Comfort Reports, and was directing it at Stockholm’s Royal Dramatic Theatre. He needed a heavyweight actor to lift the performance to the great heights he believed it could reach. “I thought, ‘There’s no one that can do it as good as Gustaf.’” But he couldn’t contact Skarsgård because the tension between them was so rife. “So I sent [the script] to the head of the theater, and Gustaf read it and liked it,” he says. “Then after being public enemies for so long, we met in this restaurant. I remember him coming in, and I rose from the table, and we just hugged. Then it was over.”

Adult Supervision marks Schulman and Skarsgård’s second collaboration. It follows Skarsgård as the anxiety-ridden Bill, who accompanies his daughter and her school friends on a remote trip, desperate to repair their icy relationship. He is joined by two fellow fathers: the secretly domineering Bobo (Fares Fares) and Pontus (Linus Wahlgren), who takes a fancy to one of the camp counsellors. The men believe themselves to be up for the task of handling an unruly class. But tensions quickly escalate and their grip on the situation begins to slip. As buried memories resurface, games turn into power struggles — and power into violence. Soon, no one can tell who’s in charge and who’s in danger.

From left: Director Alex Schulman with stars Gustaf Skarsgard, Linus Wahlgren and Fares Fares at the Zurich premiere of ‘Adult Supervision.’

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Perhaps Schulman can do the best job at putting into perspective how authentic his script is: “You know the scene with the name [introduction] game, with the throw of the ball, and the students say, ‘I’m Leopold Dogfucker’? That actually happened.” Just as Bill does in the film, Schulman turned to his daughter and asked for the misbehaving kid’s name. “You can imagine that my daughter hated me. [She was] so embarrassed.”

It isn’t the only real-life event that Schulman wove into this deftly crafted portrait of authority, anarchy and the unpredictable nature of children. Adult Supervision opens with a school teacher showing parents anonymous screenshots from the kids’ Snapchat conversations, in which they hurl unfathomably vicious and antisemitic abuse at one another. Another scene on the trip depicts a student spraying an antiseptic cleaning bottle into his peer’s water, before Fares’ character comes and, in what he believes is an astute bit of discipline, slams his palm on the table so hard that the whole room stops. Many of these incidents were inspired by Schulman’s experience. “There were so many things happening on that trip,” he remembers. “And when I came home, I remember I was crying in my wife’s lap for hours. And then after a couple of weeks, I thought that this is a story that I want to tell.”

The director likens his own role on the trip to that of Bill, who is slowly driven to madness by worrying about a particular child, the class punching bag Kenneth (Olof Olingdahl). “I am very much like Bill in the movie. I’m not a conflict guy,” says Schulman. “And I always believe in discussing a conflict with kids, but that didn’t work.” He is admittedly relieved that Skarsgård was able to bring alive Bill’s gentle, yet neurotic nature. “It must be hard for an actor to play a person who’s struggling so much,” wonders the director. “And it’s a big challenge because he’s in almost every frame. It’s completely his movie […] and for me, I think it was obvious that [no one] in Sweden can do it as well as he did.”

Skarsgård’s performance completely anchors the gradual descent from decorum to disorder. He is a man acting out of parental responsibility, while carrying his own baggage from being bullied as a child himself. But Kenneth, to Bill’s dismay, is not your usual victim. “You see so many bullied boys and girls in movies that are just so one-dimensional,” says Schulman. “They’re bullied and they’re victims. But I know from being bullied when I was young, [that] I was also bullying. That’s how you survive, right? It’s very, very complex,” he continues. “I liked the idea of one thinking that this boy is a victim, but he’s also a perpetrator.”

The finished product is, oddly, very aesthetically pleasing. Schulman enlisted one of Joachim Trier’s most trusted cinematographers, Jakob Ihre, who also worked with Fares on HBO’s Chernobyl. Together, they came up with replacing bog-standard drone shots of the island with miniature models — fake trees and tiny cabins — which help evoke a sense of childlike play.

Adult Supervision has so far been described as a dark comedy, but it’s quite the mash-up of genres. Schulman blends light-heartedness and discomfort to create something of a thriller. Those moments of humor are, for Schulman, when all esteem for the art form went out the window. “When I write books, I can’t write comedy. I don’t know why. It’s so sad,” he explains. “Books are divine for me. I can’t soil them by writing comedy. When I started to write a movie script, I had no respect. So I could finally do the things that I wanted to do.” He did show the film to Ruben Östlund, he adds, who told him it was a relationship horror. That feels right for Schulman.

Perhaps a one-two with prolific auteur Östlund is standard practice for one of Sweden’s most famous journalists, but an ensuing Oscar campaign? Now that has stumped the self-assured Schulman. “I can’t even describe it,” he beams. “It’s crazy that I’m now going to L.A. to do screenings for Academy members.” He just about understands the hype: “It’s an arthouse movie, but it’s also quite commercial. It’s a perfect mix. And they test fun, those scenes. But almost all scenes are from my life in some way.”

Viewers will be relieved to know that the last few minutes — in which Schulman delivers us a shocking act of violence — are fiction. Producers weren’t immediately convinced, but the filmmaker was delighted to have final cut on his first feature and insisted that Adult Supervision had to go there.

And now, after its award-winning world premiere in the Next Wave competition at Fantastic Fest and a major screening at Zurich Film Festival, Schulman is slowly but surely relinquishing control. “I’m not nervous,” he says. “I love seeing the movie with other people, just to be there and to see where it works and [doesn’t]. But the last time I did it was in the test screenings, and then I could always go back to the editing room and fix things. And now I obviously can’t fix anything because it’s done.”

He has definitively caught the directing bug and has plans for a second feature (you might not be surprised to learn it’s another story inspired by a trip away for Schulman). With Adult Supervision, at least, this debut filmmaker has a whole nation behind him: “Now it’s the Oscars submission, I can go to festivals,” he grins. “And I might be able to do one more movie.”

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‘Ted Lasso’ Season 4 Actor Bids Farewell To Character Who Dies

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SPOILER ALERT: This post contains spoilers for Ted Lasso Season 4, Episode 9, titled “Mae Rides The Bus,” now streaming on Apple TV.

The title of the second-to-last episode of Ted Lasso Season 4 hints at a goodbye to a beloved character who has been around since the first season.

Episode 9 bids farewell to Richmond’s own Mae Green (Annette Badland) who dies doing what she loves: supporting the Lady Greyhounds at their away match against Bristol City in the stands.

“That’s what happens. You’re involved with folks, and they disappear. They go, and she loved her life,” Annette Badland told Deadline. “She made the very best of her life and really relished it. So she went, I suppose, for her, in the very best way.”

The Crown & Anchor pub owner was invited to take the team bus to the away game after she had hinted that it would be difficult for someone with her “level of seasoning” to make the two and a half hour drive. Thus, Ted (Jason Sudeikis) and Coach Beard (Brendan Hunt) invite her on the shuttle with all of the players, and they embrace Mae as one of their own on the drive.

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“I love the Lionesses, so I was thrilled when [Season 4] happened, and the girls are tremendous and effervescent and glorious to be around. The pub quiz scene took a couple of days to shoot, but that was like a tidal wave coming,” Badland said. “They are just so full of energy and life. So that was just something wonderful to be involved in, and just enhanced all the feelings and the camaraderie. And Mae couldn’t play football, wasn’t allowed to play football, I’m sure she’s had a lot of bad stuff in her life, but she just carries on and defies the odds and just keeps on pitching. That’s an excellent story to tell.”

In the below interview, Badland unpacks Mae’s legacy left on the series, transitioning from the men’s team dynamic of the first three seasons to the Lady Greyhounds and how Mae might come up in the finale episode.

DEADLINE: Did you know about this episode for Mae when you signed on for Season 4? How did you react when you found out what would happen for her in Episode 9?

ANNETTE BADLAND: No, I didn’t know, and I didn’t know till about, I suppose, maybe November. We were only an episode away filming that. I was shocked, but I’m very proud being in the show, and I admire Jason [Sudeikis]. I think the series is so successful because people smell it’s very genuine. The audience know it’s not made cynically. It’s not a product. It’s something Jason wants to say about the world and how we are, so you have to trust that.

I don’t know when I’ll die. You just don’t know. So, being told that it was going to happen quite close to it being filmed, you just have to go. ‘Well, that’s [that]. He told me in the storyline, so he started at the beginning [with] “I invite her to come, and blah blah, and she won’t drive, and then she comes to the grounds and she goes in the bus,” and I’m going, “Oh wow, this is…” and then “She passes.” [Gulps.] But hopefully that’s what will happen for the audience too.

DEADLINE: How did you want to approach the speech you gave in the locker room before the game? There’s the moment in the bus before where they’re like, “We’re gonna grill you about your whole life and everything you know. How did you approach those scenes with the end of the episode in mind? What you wanted to leave on the field, for lack of a better way to put that?

BADLAND: I think not giving in. She’s very outspoken. She’s a lioness who will defend you till the nth degree once you’ve got her heart and respect. Being an older woman, where you do become invisible, Mae’s never going to be invisible. She will not allow that to happen. I get ignored. You’ll stand at a counter, and people won’t bother, or they’ll walk into you. “You’ve had your time, move aside.” And Mae would not allow that, and was still in there pitching and relishing.

L-R: Jason Sudeikis and Annette Badland in Season 4 of 'Ted Lasso'

L-R: Jason Sudeikis and Annette Badland in Season 4 of ‘Ted Lasso’

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DEADLINE: What does it say about her that she wants to sit in the audience stands or the supporters side versus the box with Rebecca and everyone?

BADLAND: Yeah, not her people, and she might have felt constrained. “Well, I’m not going to sit and behave myself or feel the fool because I’m sitting with you.” I’ll go where the folk that really scraped together to get the money, who are dedicated, [are sitting]. Even although it was her pub, she’s not part of a hierarchy. Everybody’s judged on how they are. Just not her style. Go and be with the real fun.

DEADLINE: There’s the hint of the shares and the battle that’s going on there. And Mae has shares, and she was like protecting her patrons at the pub. Can you tease anything about how could she could leave an impact that way too on the team?

BADLAND: Well, she had a very large pile of shares. I mean, they were about “yay high” (gestures to table height she sits at.) She uses them to good effect. Her instructions are for them to be used in a particular way that is quite good.

DEADLINE: I love her relationship with Ted’s son this season too. I was hoping you could talk about working with Grant and any wisdom she maybe has left with him?

BADLAND: He is a delight. He’s a beautiful young man, and bright. We got on terribly well, and I shall miss him. Really, it was great having that element in the pub too. Another side of her. I can’t tease you with anything, I don’t think, but he knows what he’s doing now with a tea towel.

DEADLINE: Keeley’s pregnancy is revealed in 409, and I’ve heard some people talk about the cycle of life and how someone passes and then a new life comes into the world. So I was curious if you had any thoughts on those themes for episode nine?

BADLAND: Oh yes, well it’s absolutely true, isn’t it? We move along. We’re here for a very short time, and the next wave, the next group of people comes in. I’m delighted for Keeley, just delighted, and poor old Roy.

DEADLINE: This episode felt like such a great send off for Mae, but could we still see a funeral or something in the finale?

BADLAND: You could, maybe. I guess, or it’s like, “Oh well, that’s it.” [They could forget about her.]

DEADLINE: What do you think she would want as a celebration of her life? Have you thought about that at all?

BADLAND: Oh, she’d have asked for a tremendous party at The Crown and Anchor. Everyone invited. Jason did modify some of 410. We talked after he told me about her passing, and he did, because that’s how he is. He’s responsive and collaborative. So he did change some of the stuff in 10, or incorporated what we talked about. She doesn’t just [go away]. She has, not an appearance, but she is still within the context.

DEADLINE: I’m also worried-not worried, but the pub was her thing. So I hope it’s in good hands in the future.

BADLAND: So does she. Oh yes.

DEADLINE: Anthony Head gets an acknowledgement in 409, and Rupert gets his mention too. How did that all weave together with Mae also leaving? What are your thoughts on that? You had scenes with Anthony in the past.

BADLAND: He came in the pub. The darts, and we were around. He came in more than that, but that was the main one. He was a beautiful man, and he will be much missed. He was charming and funny and generous, and we’d have naughty little sort of asides. And I had wondered why we weren’t — I assumed he would be in this last [season] and didn’t know, as I think very few people knew, he was ill and just couldn’t do it.

So we will miss him, and I respect him, and I think it’s a great honor to be in the episode that is dedicated to him.

DEADLINE: How did it feel embarking on this new chapter of the show after the previous three seasons with the men’s team, and how much do you think it meant to Mae? Could you talk about that transition and leaving the show behind?

BADLAND: Well, when we finished [Season 3], we didn’t think there would be another. Jason had said, “I’ve got a three series arc, that’ll be it.” And then to go back and to take, it’s very exciting because it’s a risk, isn’t it?

A female team [is] quite quite different, and the men have come with it. The male audience have gone with it, like they do with the genuine footballers. And there’s good stories, different stories in there, different tales to tell. So, I’m absolutely thrilled that it seems, in England, certainly, to have taken off this year. People don’t know what to do. They don’t know whether to watch it episode by episode or to binge watch it. They can’t wait to binge it. So that’s thrilling, absolutely thrilling. I’ve had a great time. I’m privileged to have been part of it, and I’ll just have to be in the stands, won’t I? And see how they progress.

Or there is a film called Wonderful Life, where an angel [comes down.]

Annette Badland in 'Ted Lasso' Season 4

Annette Badland in ‘Ted Lasso’ Season 4

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DEADLINE: I could see them incorporating it. I love that movie. We watch it every Christmas. She would be such a great Clarence-esque character.

BADLAND: Yeah, popping up in someone’s conscience and tearing them off a strip or whatever. Or giving them information.

DEADLINE: I feel like Beard may need some of that for some reason. Because we don’t see his reaction, at the end of the episode. We see it’s Rebecca’s telling Ted, you don’t see the words pass, but just from his actions, you know that she’s died. But yeah, I guess curious to see what will happen with him. I love that idea. I hope you’ve pitched that and that it comes to light in the future.

BADLAND: As soon as he said she passed, I said, “Oh, can I come back as an angel?” So we did talk about it.

But he doesn’t do the predictable, does he? That’s what’s so delightful.

DEADLINE: That’s all I had, unless you wanted to add anything else about what fans come up to you and say when they recognize you from the show, or any last words before we go.

BADLAND: Ah, encountering them is terrific, and I’m very proud to have been in this because I still get messages from people saying, you know, things like “My mom’s very ill with cancer. She comes home from her treatment. We all pile on the bed. We put Ted on. We believe. We laugh.” So that’s a just tremendous thing to have in the world, and to be connected to it, and feel you’ve done that for folk. No bad thing, eh?

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‘Ted Lasso’ Pays Tribute To Anthony Head In Episode 409

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SPOILER ALERT: The story includes details about Episodes 408 and 409 of Apple TV’s Ted Lasso.

A very emotional Ted Lasso episode that included the death of a beloved original character, The Crown & Anchor pub owner Mae Green, played by Annette Badland, also acknowledged the death of the series’ popular recurring cast member Anthony Head, who played the villainous Rupert Mannion in the first three seasons.

A card, In Memory of Anthony Head, ran at the end of Season 4’s penultimate episode, “Mae Rides the Bus.” (You can see it below.)

“He was a beautiful man, and he will be much missed,” Badland told Deadline during an interview about Mae’s shocking death, reminiscing about famous Season 1 darts scene between Rupert and Jason Sudeikis’ Ted Lasso at the pub. “He was charming and funny and generous, and we’d have naughty little sort of asides.

Ted Lasso was always expected to pay tribute to the veteran British actor who died on June 1 at the age of 72. When that was not done in the Season 4 premiere, many thought that Head would be honored in an episode he appears in as the season had wrapped production in January, months before his passing.

“I assumed he would be in this last [season], and didn’t know, as I think very few people knew, he was ill and just couldn’t do it,” Badland said.

Barely referenced in the first seven episodes, Head’s Rupert, ex-owner of AFC Richmond and ex-husband of the club’s current owner Rebecca (Hannah Waddingham), came back into the forefront in Episode 8, when Higgins (Jeremy Swift), with the help of Mae and her “Follow the anger” advice, deducted that Rupert had been secretly buying shares to regain control of Richmond.

That remained a story thread in Episode 9 until the surprise twist at the end that revealed it was not Rupert but Tracey Ullman’s Zelda Southport who was behind the shady operation and on the verge of becoming a majority owner of the club.

The move raised questions whether Ted Lasso had pivoted from Rupert to Zelda as the culprit — and away from a potential Rebecca vs. Rupert battle for control of Richmond — in light of Head’s death (or leading into it). According to sources, no Season 4 storylines were changed following Head’s passing, there had been no formal plans for Head to be in Season 4 and no official approach to him about appearing.

It is unclear whether that was related to Head’s health issues which had been kept private. (His cause of death was listed by his daughters as complications due to pneumonia.) Head’s last acting credits were Season 3 of Ted Lasso, which came out in 2023, and the 2024 Prime Video movie Upgraded.

It is a longstanding TV tradition for characters to mirror the death of the actors who played them by passing away in the show. Because of the timing of Head’s passing after Season 4 had been completed, that will likely happen in Season 5.

The eccentric ultra-wealthy entrepreneur and sports investor Zelda — a polarizing and largely disliked new character introduced in Season 4 — had long been suspected by fans to be the season’s secret villain.

Zelda, who had become involved in Richmond’s women’s team with Keeley’s (Juno Temple) enthusiastic support over Rebecca’s serious reservations, was present when Higgins told Rebecca in Season 8 that Rupert was behind the buyouts. In fact, Zelda looked rather nervous for a moment when Higgins announced that he had solved the mystery before he dropped Rupert’s name and she chimed in with “Never underestimate the power of anger as fuel.” (We will likely find out more about her motives in the Season 4 finale.)

In Episode 9, Zelda also happened to be there any time Higgins and Rebecca discussed the matter. That included him telling his boss in the office that Rupert’s lawyers were “denying knowing anything about people selling shares but since there has been a pause in buying” and that Rebecca won’t lose control of the club regardless, as long as the Milk sisters, who no one had been able to get ahold of, don’t sell their shares. The three also were together on board the Richmond private jet when Higgins told Rebecca that even without the Milk sisters, the mystery buyer they believed to be Rupert can get 49% of the shares.

That may prove a moot point as Zelda was later seen giving her henchman, who had located the sisters, instructions to go as high as needed to secure their shares.

With the mystery solved, the producers felt it made sense to run an end card honoring Head in Season 9. Rupert had his Season 4 moment in 408 and 409, so paying tribute to Head following the close of his character’s two-episode arc felt most appropriate. (Running the card at the end of Episode 8 likely also would’ve spoiled the surprise that it wasn’t Rupert who was buying the shares.)

Head recurred on the first two seasons of Ted Lasso, becoming a series regular in Season 3. His character Rupert, Rebecca’s vindictive and philandering former husband who lost Richmond to her in the divorce, was the original three-season installment’s main antagonist. He subsequently bought another Premiere League team — West Ham United — and recruited Ted’s kitman turned assistant coach Nathan Shelley (Nick Mohammed) to work with him, before losing it in the Season 3 finale.

“We will miss him, I respect him, and it’s a great honor to be in the episode that is dedicated to him,” Badland said. Here is a video of her comments.

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Tom Cruise, Alejandro G. Iñárritu Talk Digger at Academy Museum

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“I was very successful since I was a kid,” Tom Cruise told a full house at the Academy Museum’s 945-seat David Geffen Theater following a screening of Digger. That stardom has led him in search of ever bigger challenges, learning new skills and finding opportunities to apply them.

As he put it: “OK, the door’s open. Now I want to push it again.”

He has certainly done that with Digger, Alejandro G. Iñárritu’s wildly ambitious, deeply weird and extravagantly mounted comedy, in which Cruise plays a Texas oil tycoon forced to face the music after an environmental disaster puts the world at risk.

The Warner Bros. release, arriving just as Paramount nears its takeover of Warner Bros. Discovery, carries a reported $125 million production budget.

At 64 and 63, respectively, Cruise and Iñárritu are near-exact contemporaries taking this leap together. Cruise has ventured into similarly offbeat territory before, memorably in an Oscar-nominated turn in Paul Thomas Anderson’s Magnolia and beneath the prosthetics of Ben Stiller’s comedy Tropic Thunder.

But he has spent much of his recent career delivering increasingly elaborate Mission: Impossible spectacles, taking extraordinary physical risks within a franchise whose appeal he understands intimately. Digger requires a different leap of faith, both from Cruise and from the audience he hopes will follow him.

Among critics, the film has proved wildly divisive, with some reviews positively savage, The Hollywood Reporter’s among them. I understand the objections to Digger; I was also quite happy to have seen it. There is something invigorating about watching this much talent and money committed to a movie this peculiar, even when its considerable parts refuse to cooperate.

Tom Cruise talks to the audience at Academy Museum’s ‘Digger’ screening.

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Iñárritu offered a remarkably candid account of the challenges during the discussion. Making this trompe-l’œil of a film required a constant negotiation between theatricality and the camera. What felt inspired on set could look very different the following morning.

“We were laughing all day,” the four-time Oscar-winning Mexican filmmaker said. Then he would watch the dailies: “Oh my God,” he recalled thinking. “This is not working. This is shit.” Adjusting the performance could send it too far in the other direction: “It’s too naturalistic. It’s not so funny.”

In sharing that, Iñárritu was describing the search for the film’s highly unusual tone, not conceding that the finished movie had failed. But the anecdote gets at the precariousness of the enterprise. The actors had to find that tone in their bodies and voices, he explained. “Nothing can be written in tone. It doesn’t exist,” he said.

Iñárritu compared the precision of Cruise’s acting to the “micro decisions” he makes during a dangerous stunt, when “one second is the difference between life and death.” On set, the director watched that attention extend to where Cruise placed his hands, when he winked and when he stayed silent. “Every take he’s just present and observing naturally,” he said.

Cruise, meanwhile, seemed delighted by the company he was keeping. He repeatedly jumped in to praise his fellow actors, recalling how difficult it was to stop laughing around John Goodman. Of Sandra Hüller, he said, “What an extraordinary actress,” before settling on a succession of wows.

His enthusiasm was considerably easier to pin down than his acting techniques. After Cruise gave a drawn-out answer about a life spent observing humanity to explain his character work, Iñárritu teased him: “He keeps the secret. He don’t answer.”

Tom Cruise and Alejandro G. Iñárritu at the Academy Museum’s ‘Digger’ screening.

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By the end of the conversation, Cruise was making a broader argument about what audiences want, and what filmmakers should give them. “This film is handmade,” he said. He described stopping on set with his colleagues to look around and appreciate the skill that had gone into the physical world surrounding them. “People want to see real things,” he said. Then, a little later: “People want real things and they want real experiences.”

Cruise never mentioned artificial intelligence, but the repeated emphasis on “real things” and “handmade” filmmaking could readily be heard as an implicit rejoinder to it. His remarks placed the value in the people doing the work, the skills they had acquired and the pleasure of being together to make something. “It was never handed to any of us,” he said.

For all his confidence, there was also an acknowledgment that the opportunity to keep doing this depends on people buying tickets. “My hope is always that the films would do enough that I’d have that opportunity to do it again,” Cruise said.

Whether audiences follow him into Digger remains to be seen. For now, he seemed grateful to have made the leap. “It’s not like I don’t have challenges, we don’t have challenges,” he said. “But I really choose to be joyful about creating.”

After posing for a cast and crew photo, Cruise, ever the audience pleaser, spent 15 minutes mingling with fans who rushed the stage for selfies and a few words with a movie legend. Four decades into his career, he’s still finding new ways to make it in this risky business.

He clearly loves the job.

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