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Britain is well-positioned to benefit from the AI revolution, but its workforce may be more exposed than many others. Rishi Sunak tells Francis Elliott how he wishes he had done more to help voters prepare for what is about to come

Rishi Sunak has more time on his hands these days. Not just because he is out of No 10 but also because he is recuperating from a skiing accident caused by ‘showing off’ to his daughters.

In between the pain relief (“a lot of tramadol”) and the physiotherapy, the former prime minister has been building his own AI tool. In will go 20 episodes of his favourite podcasts and post-broadcast social media commentary on them, out will come a short precis that keeps the Richmond MP bang up to date on the issue about which he most cares.

He’s understandably quite chuffed with his new tool, having learned how to build it from a series of free online courses designed to improve AI skills.

“I’m about to turn [this] into something where, instead of having hundreds of pages of transcript, I would just get the three-, four-page, weapons-grade stuff that I need done, completely automatically, every single week.”

This may be peak geek chic, but it is also Sunak practising what he preaches: if you don’t want AI to consume you, you better start consuming AI. The 46-year-old may not have had a mandate or much of a majority as prime minister but, in starting to prepare the UK for the AI revolution, he has emerged with something of a legacy.

Advisory jobs at Anthropic and Microsoft keep him on the frontline of the policy implications of what tech leaders and politicians delicately call “the challenges of the transition” but the rest of us fear is massive, potentially destructive disruption.

Until relatively recently, the consensus had held that AI, like every other so-called general-purpose technology, would in short order create more jobs than it automated. Just as in the 17th century, nobody could conceive of the job as an electrician, so we today cannot comprehend the jobs AI will create.

But Sunak is one of those, like Anthropic boss Dario Amodei, who is – in terms of labour market disruption – starting to shift to a rather less rosy position: that this time it might be different.

“It’s both the breadth and the pace. If you compare in the past, and a nice way to measure it is, how long did it take a technology to get to, say, 100 million users? For electricity, it took about 70 years. Telephone, 50 years. PC, 15. Internet, seven years.

“It took ChatGPT two months. That gives you a sense of how quickly this is [taking place]. Why does that matter? Because history would tell you, these things over time have always worked out, and that new jobs have been created.

“Now, where that might break down is if the disruption is happening so quickly before you get all the new jobs being created. If it just happens so fast, you will get more concentration of job losses first before the new jobs come along.

“The second [factor] is because it is so broad. In the past… general-purpose technologies… would displace employment from a particular area, but there were multiple other opportunities that that person would be able to find work in, that were not disrupted by the same technology.”

He says “this time it’s different” are among the most dangerous words in the English language, but it’s not an implausible outcome. “And certainly not so implausible that a leader should just assume the best.”

Which takes us to Keir Starmer. Sunak gives the Starmer government credit for taking forward the agenda. He recently appeared with David Lammy selling Britain to an audience of AI leaders gathered in Delhi and has met with both Peter Kyle and his successor as tech secretary, Liz Kendall. He says they are broadly doing the right things.

But he clearly thinks Starmer hasn’t the bandwidth or the capacity to make preparing the country for what is to come an absolute priority, and admits he wished he had done more while he was in No 10.

“I wish I had done more on it, and that I’d spoken to the country more about the change that is coming and what it means for us, and how we can make sure it works for the country, how it works for families, how it works for our public services, how it’s going to be good. But also to give people the reassurance that they need, because there’s a lot of anxiety out there about what it means to them.

“You can only have, as prime minister, a handful of personal priorities that you are going to drive through the system that emanate from your office in Downing Street, that the entire system and the entire country knows are your priorities. That is the only real way to change something of this magnitude. This [issue of AI] is, and should be, for the country’s sake, one of those three things.”

Starmer is possessed of a rather different priority at the moment, as Sunak acknowledges.

“The problem with all the drama that we’ve seen in the last week, when these things happen, governments stop governing, essentially, and they start focusing on survival.”

Domestic squalls will pass; the question of how the UK copes with geopolitical and technological dislocations will sustain.

“If you look at the two things that have just changed, we as a country need to make sure that we are prepared for them. It’s a geopolitical environment that has changed, and the fact that we’re on the cusp of this enormous, significant technological revolution, are the two most dominant structural forces out there.”

Does Sunak agree with Nick Clegg, another who found a berth on the US west coast after government, that talk of UK AI sovereignty is “dishonest”? In as far as sovereignty means the UK being entirely independent, Sunak agrees that this is a fiction.

The US and China will continue to exert huge leverage over other nations because of their dominance over the emerging technology. But Sunak says the UK has cards to play and that it needs only to make itself “indispensable” in part of the supply chain to protect itself.

As a Conservative, Sunak is suspicious of the ‘picking winners’ element of the government’s new AI Sovereign fund, but sees the value in putting resources – not just cash but computing power – behind potential capabilities that might, in time, serve as vital national assets.

New hardware innovations – chip-making – are among the start-ups that have been given taxpayers’ cash. Other assets include the AI Safety Institute which seems well-positioned to serve as the world’s premier kitemarking service for Big Tech to show consumers their products won’t do serious damage. (Anthropic recently submitted its new Mythos tool to the ASI for evaluation.)

I wish I had done more on it, and that I’d spoken to the country more about the change that is coming

UK biotech and access to NHS data also mean the country is well-placed to make the most of a coming explosion of new drugs and treatments powered by AI.

These are, Sunak agrees, “reasons to be cheerful”. Even better, he says, is another lesson from the other times the world has been transformed by new technology.

“History tells you that you don’t need to be the place that invents the technology to be the place that benefits the most from it,” starts an enthusiastic Sunak. “I geek out about this all the time.

“The printing press is my favourite example. That’s invented in Germany, in Mainz, the Dutch were the ones that run away with it. But you look at why it’s fascinating, it’s because of a couple of reasons.

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“One is they didn’t have censorship laws. So, obviously, if you’re a printing business, you’ve got to have these very stifling laws in Germany, what you could and couldn’t say in print. They didn’t have that in the Netherlands – free for all.

“The second thing is, they didn’t have guilds like the Germans. These old-school trade union closed shop decided [who could and could not operate a press]. And then the third thing is, because there were more advanced financial markets in Amsterdam, the companies could hedge paper costs, right? Which really matter, because they were volatile.

“So, that’s why the Dutch became [the world’s] publisher, right? So, you don’t need to be Beijing, you don’t need to be Silicon Valley. This technology exists. It’s out there. We should be trying to win the race for what I call everyday AI.”

It’s a full-fat free market interpretation from a man who is, after all, paid to keep the regulators at bay. But he is not as aggressive as some Tories on the threat to AI from any EU reset, noting that the Commission itself is trying to unwind some of its early attempts to bring US tech giants to heel and that Starmer has largely followed his own hands-off approach.

Nor is he particularly exercised about the relatively high energy costs making Britain a less attractive place to build data centres – a huge number of which will be needed to power the AI revolution. He does, however, say the government ought not to be “ideological” about letting data centres source their energy from fossil fuel sources.

He sees both sides of the debate about whether to ban under-16s from social media, noting the design challenges of that policy but also its utility in making it easier for parents to set rules.

When these things happen, governments stop governing essentially and they start focusing on survival

Despite the noise around social media, so far the so-called ‘techlash’ in the UK has been muted compared to that which is starting to shape US politics. There is no high-profile equivalent of Bernie Sanders, the Democrat senator leading the campaign against data centres, or Steve Bannon attacking AI from the populist right.

But the fact is that the UK’s economy is dominated by just those sectors that appear to be most vulnerable to labour market disruption.

That AI models can already reliably replicate many, if not most, of the tasks carried out by many so-called knowledge workers has huge potential implications for this country. The upside is an economy that receives an outsize productivity boost – the downside is a white-collar bloodbath so bad it potentially shatters the social contract.

Some AI insiders apparently have started to become profoundly worried about the societal implications of a technology that could turbocharge existing inequalities, concentrating ever more wealth in the hands of a tiny number, while also creating a “permanent underclass”.

Sunak wants political leaders in the West to move fast to reassure voters that they will be helped through the transition. The UK particularly cannot afford to miss out on a change that could at last lift it out of its decline. 

There is still plenty of time to ensure that AI augments and does not just automate. Governments can rebalance the tax system to favour labour, he says. Workers, meanwhile, have time to learn the AI skills that will make them more attractive to employers.

“The biggest risk in all of this is if you just put your head in the sand and try to ignore it. The bigger risk is we will get left behind and become less competitive and efficient than other countries,” Sunak warns.

“We happen to have more knowledge workers [than] other countries. I think the bigger risk is we don’t embrace this wholeheartedly and as quickly as others…

“There is currently, in the West, a trust deficit when it comes to AI, for sure. In contrast to places like India, China, the Gulf, Singapore, where positivity and trust around AI is very high, in Western countries here – the US in particular – it’s very low.

“And we do need to change that because if that persists, all these wonderful benefits I think this technology can provide will never get realised because it will either be regulated or banned or just not adopted.

“We have to create an environment where people feel more positive about the technology in order for us as a society to actually get the benefits.” 

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Andy Burnham spoke to conference in Liverpool on Tuesday (Alamy)


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Andy Burnham has pledged to reform the pension triple lock after the next general election to fund a new social care system.

It is one of several announcements the Prime Minister made in his Labour Party conference speech in Liverpool.

He also said he would launch a national commission on changing the voting system, and look at pursuing closer ties with the European Union.

Burnham said he would use his first conference speech as PM to “break the mould”, saying that “more of the same isn’t good enough” to get the country back on track.

He said he would “make a break with the direction of the past 40 years” and create a Britain “where people feel the country has got their back again. A Britain for everyone, no matter who we are or where we’re born, we would be unstoppable, and we will be.”

Burnham paid tribute to his predecessor Keir Starmer “for the historic victory he achieved for us” at the 2024 general election, before going on to pledge a series of changes that he claimed his generation of politicians had not been brave enough to tackle up to now. 

Social care

One of Burnham’s biggest pledges was creating a new National Care Service, to be introduced in the next Parliament, which he claimed was “a landmark policy, as significant as the creation of the NHS itself, and utterly essential to securing its future.”

The PM said his generation of politicians was guilty of “cowardice” for not fixing the issues facing the social care system. 

He said he was prepared to take a hit to his popularity to reform the system, saying “someone has to go through the pain barrier and rip the plaster off”.

Addressing social care workers from the stage, Burnham said: “You are not invisible to me. I see you. I thank you, and I am sorry that my profession has let down yours for so long. I promise you, I won’t leave this job without doing everything I can to change.”

Burnham set out a vision for “a person-centred, high-quality care service that starts in the home”. He said it would be “a system in the best traditions of this party, where everyone contributes, and everyone is covered, free at the point of use, and no care charges paid out of your basic state pension”.

Triple lock reform

To help fund his social care plans, Burnham said he would reform the pension triple lock after the next general election.

As things stand, pensions increase in line with whatever is largest out of inflation, wages and 2.5 per cent.

However, Burnham said he would alter the policy to remove wages from 2030.

There have been growing calls for the triple lock to be phased out from critics who argue it not sustainable in the long term.

However, it will be seen as a risky move for Burnham as he seeks re-election, given it will impact large swathes of the public.

Electoral reform

Burnham, a long-term supporter of replacing First Past The Post with a more proportional voting system, announced that he would launch a national commission to look at changing the electoral system in England.

He said that Labour’s next general election manifesto would contain a commitment “to change the electoral system so that everyone’s vote counts, and everyone’s voice is heard.”

“We can’t succeed in the eyes of the world if we continue with the levels of political turbulence we have seen in recent times,” he told conference.

Water reform

The PM said the state of the country’s water industry “is a symbol of what has gone wrong in Britain”.

Referring to the privatisation of infrastructure, Burnham said: “The British right talk about taking back control. Never let them forget. They are the ones that gave it away in the first place.”

He announced that Environment Secretary would present a “strengthened” water legislation to Parliament which would repeal former prime minister Margaret Thatcher’s ban on public ownership of water companies, a move he said “will start a 10-year journey to a very different water system.”

Eagle hinted that government action on Thames Water was coming earlier this week, telling the PoliticsHome podcast The Rundown that “the status quo is not an option”.

Under the changes, mayors will have new powers to hold water companies to account, with tougher consequences for those which repeatedly fail. The PM said that the government will also “close the loopholes used to pay excessive bonuses” to water bosses.

Housing

Burnham announced in his speech that he would pass legislation to make it easier for homes to be reclaimed from negligent landlords.

He said that negligent landlords would face losing those properties if they did not respond to warnings to improve: “If they refuse, we will make it much easier for councils to acquire those homes and we will legislate if necessary.”

“We don’t let people sell food which damages health, so why allow it with homes from now on? We won’t”, Burnham pledged.

Ahead of the conference in Liverpool, Burnham announced a new homes scheme for first-time buyers, saying: “Too many young people are struggling with housing, with many giving up hope on ever having a home to call their own.”

Energy reforms

Burnham also announced the creation of Great British Energy: Great British Grid.

The new grid, he said, will be a “publicly owned company that will challenge the private sector operators”, “increase competition, drive down costs, and speed up connections, so businesses can expand and grow more quickly.”

He also pledged to get down energy prices by “reforming a broken energy market” to better serve the public interest.

“I have asked Miatta Fahnbulleh [the Energy Secretary] to speed up the breaking of the link between what we pay for power at home and the international gas market to get bills down.”

There were also hints made about the potential for controversial North Sea drilling, with Burnham saying he would be “pragmatic” about the situation, “as we build a bridge to a clean energy future and face the climate crisis”.

Education and welfare reform

Burnham also pledged to reform the education and welfare systems to tackle youth unemployment.

On education reform, Burnham said the government would “rebuild a system of comprehensive education in this country. country. With parity between academic and technical, with [Education Secretary] Lucy Powell leading the way.”

Burnham said that the reforms would provide “good quality pathways for all from 14, and the right support for our young people when they need it-a 45-day work placement between 16 and 18, an apprenticeship at 18, and no long waits anymore for mental health support growing up.”

“We will need a fundamental rethink of the welfare system to find the money for these opportunities upfront,” Burnham said.

Future relationship with EU

In the final part of his speech, Burnham hinted at closer alignment with the European Union, a decade after the public voted to leave. 

The Labour government has sought closer ties with the bloc since being elected in 2024.

However, speaking on Tuesday, Burnham said he would use a UK-EU summit later this year to produce a series of options for Britain’s long-term relationship with the bloc that he would present to the public.

“I will see if we can find consensus around one, which will give us clarity about our position and the future of the continent that we live in.”

 

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Campaigning in Makerfield, Andy Burnham threatened Thames Water with public ownership – but has not so far followed through. Ben Gartside reports on a decision that will define his approach to privately owned suppliers of public goods.

What, exactly, does the word ‘control’ mean when applied to those entities that supply vital public goods?

Does it mean full nationalisation, with every decision in the hands of ministers and officials in Whitehall? Or does it rather mean that customers exercise a measure of control over their operation through ownership of a portion of equity? Or some other variant in which locally elected representatives take a golden share in the companies that serve their region?

These are not theoretical questions but are coming sharply into focus as Andy Burnham wrestles with what to do about Thames Water.

As of today, Thames Water supplies 16 million customers, owes more than £20bn and has been in breach of its licence for two years.

A large portion of the Labour Party would like to see the company – which critics say has become emblematic of the failures of utility privatisation – back in public ownership.

Its creditors, however, want to take over the company and keep it afloat by releasing tranches of cash to help the beleaguered firm.

The financiers are quietly optimistic. Industry sources suggest Burnham and the officials supporting him are pragmatic on the issue, and hope that the focus on control could reheat plans for the minister to hold a “golden share” in Thames Water, offering the government a veto while retaining private ownership of the suffering water company.

A concerted effort is being made by some in the City to understand Burnham’s policy brain. Some of Thames Water’s creditors have commissioned research into Burnham’s work on taking buses into public ownership in Greater Manchester, extrapolating out what it would mean for their financial interests.

They take heart from public comments by John Healey, the Chancellor, who insisted that ‘control’ need not mean full nationalisation.

“Some might claim that public control is public ownership,” the Chancellor told his audience, “but it’s broader than that.” What it meant instead was “local leaders and a stronger centre”, accountability for “fair bills, better services, investment that gets delivered”, and “an active state driving better regulation, quicker decisions”.

Within the Labour movement, two rival plans are circling ahead of the party’s conference.

On one side is Mainstream, the group co-founded by Compass and Open Labour. It did more than any other to get Burnham back to Westminster by criticising Keir Starmer’s economic policies from the left and encouraging bolder decision making from the government.

With an ally in No 10, the group is still singing the same tune. Mainstream supports public ownership of water generally, and believes that Thames Water should be put immediately into special administration.

Initially, Burnham struck a similar tone on water. In June, campaigning in Makerfield, Burnham told the Guardian that public ownership was “absolutely an option” and that “for Thames Water, that is what should be done”. By the end of August, the plan to put the company into special administration had gone quiet, with a Whitehall source telling the Times there was “no quick or clean solution without an enormous price tag attached”.

While Mainstream’s motion has been left open-ended for the interpretation of the new government, its motive is clear: a source close to the group says that the system now is itself an attempt at public control without public ownership, and it is not working.

Mainstream is careful to say this is not a confrontation, that it wants the government to succeed, and that the motion is deliberately open. It also does not expect to win. Under Starmer, it tried something similar on the two-child benefit cap last year, had its initial motion blocked but counted the overall shift in tone around the debate as a success.

“Copying the failed model of non-profits like Welsh Water doesn’t get around the questions of compensation, debt or legal risk”

The parliamentary case is led by Clive Lewis, whose own water bill had its first reading a week before the Cunliffe review was commissioned, and who secured an urgent question on the sector in June. He told the Commons then that this “was never a market failure” but “the market working as designed”. Allies of Lewis say that like-minded MPs are prepared to rebel if government proposals do not go far enough.

Lena Swedlow, the deputy director of Compass, tells The House that the left-wing pressure group is now campaigning with Labour MPs to push the government to more wide-ranging action.

“I think we got here because Ofwat and the Starmer-led government believed the creditors and the Thames Water leadership could get themselves out of this mess, which was short-sighted.

“It’s part of the larger theme of Starmer’s No 10 that they didn’t adequately prepare for power, and figures like Morgan McSweeney are now on record saying so. Fast-forward two years later, the hesitance to put Thames Water in special administration is as short-sighted and dangerous.”

Those supportive of implementing the special administration regime are “incensed” by the clear change in government language from public ownership to control.

However, the government is clear that the special administration threshold hasn’t been cleared, as of now. The law only allows it if a company is insolvent or in serious breach of its licence, and while creditors keep lending, Thames is not insolvent. “You either are, or you aren’t,” Environment Secretary Angela Eagle said this month. “And whatever people think of Thames at the moment, it isn’t technically insolvent.”

Another plan is that of the Co-operative Party, which Burnham recently became the first Prime Minister to represent.

A recent report by the Good Growth Foundation think tank, with a foreword by Labour MP Helena Dollimore, proposes a bill that would create a path to mutualisation by encouraging water companies to sell up to customers via a share exchange scheme. If they refused to comply, the bar for an enhanced special administration regime would be lowered.

As with nationalisation, the government is thought to have cooled on the co-operative idea, with industry sources expecting the plans to go nowhere.

Officials recognise that any attempt to mutualise would likely lead to the largest rise in customer bills, as investors would be unwilling to stomach any short-term losses without an equity stake. Investors agree, highlighting the mutualised Welsh Water as having the highest bills in Britain.

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The left of the party is sceptical too, for the opposite reason. 

Mainstream says mutuals work well in many settings but that water needs something stronger, and that it is not clear mutualisation changes who owns anything.

Swedlow says: “Of course devolved and regional leaders should have a say in the future of water. But copying the failed model of non-profits like Welsh Water doesn’t get around the questions of compensation, debt or legal risk.”

One policy wonk highlights that, currently, the Co-operative Party, the Liberal Democrats and Reform all have policies to mutualise water, all with little clarity about what would actually happen next.

What seems sure either way is a significant downgrade in the powers of Ofwat, with responsibility set to be transferred to ministers. The regulator has not had a permanent chief executive since August 2025, and cannot have a successor until the government’s clean water bill is introduced.

The research of the financiers into Burnham’s bus plan seems to be beneficial – earlier this month, The Telegraph reported that regional bodies would be set up to oversee water companies, with a responsibility to hold company bosses accountable for bills and sewage.

As Burnham battles for control, water waits. For the moment, the sector once in the eye of the storm waits to find out the government’s decision and MPs wait to hear the direction of travel. 


Within a month of Labour’s conference in Liverpool, Andy Burnham’s government will have delivered its first Budget and Thames Water’s lenders will have decided whether to extend its emergency funding without a signed rescue deal. Labour’s new 10-year plan promising “stronger public control” of water is set to be delivered by the end of the year too. Here are the three leading plans circulating around Westminster.

Public ownership.

Mainstream, the Andy Burnham-affiliated campaign group co-founded by Compass and Open Labour, has drafted a conference motion calling on the Prime Minister to “urgently return water in England into public ownership”. Its paper, The Productive State, sets out the details: put Thames Water into special administration, restructure its debts and have it function as a national public water corporation, run at arm’s length from ministers and paying for investment by borrowing against customers’ bills.

A private solution.

London & Valley Water, a consortium of 100 investors holding £17bn of Thames’ £21bn debt, wants to take over the beleaguered firm. Its £10bn plan would write off billions of debt, add new capital and pay no dividends until 2035. In return, it wants leniency on penalties worth up to £1bn. In June, the then environment secretary Emma Reynolds said the deal did not go far enough – a month later, the creditors offered the government a “golden share”, offering a veto over important decisions and hostile takeovers. 

Mutualisation.

A proposal by the Good Growth Foundation, backed by the Co-operative Party and three Labour metro mayors, suggests a law giving water companies a choice: sell up to customers through a share exchange, or face a lower bar for special administration and leave it as a customer-owned co-operative. While it would keep the debt off the government’s books, investors say that borrowing costs and bills would rise without shareholders to absorb any losses.  

 

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Andy Burnham is rumoured to make an announcement on Thames Water in his speech to Labour’s party conference (Alamy)


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Secretary of State for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs Angela Eagle has hinted that government action on Thames Water is coming, telling PoliticsHome that “the status quo is not an option”.

Speaking to PoliticsHome podcast The Rundown at Labour Party conference in Liverpool on Sunday, Eagle said the privatised system currently in place is not “working” and that she is “examining a whole range of potential options”.

Andy Burnham is facing calls to bring Thames Water into public ownership amid MP and public anger with the water company over its significant debts, rising customer bills and sewage leaks. The firm supplies 16m customers across southern England.

The Prime Minister is set to address the issue of private water companies in his first conference speech as PM on Tuesday afternoon, with a preview making the case for “more control of the basics so that we can make it more functional again”.

Eagle told the podcast that “legal certain obligations” meant there were limits on what she could say about Thames Water, but stressed that something has to change.

Asked whether the Thames Water situation would be allowed to stretch out into next year or beyond, Eagle said: “The Thames issue will be dealt with when it’s dealt with.

“We have to be absolutely certain that we do these things properly because there’s potential litigiousness if not done properly.”

The Environment Secretary held her first meeting with the leaders of the company earlier this month, insisting she was “polite”, but asked if she was angry about its conduct, she said: “My predecessor Emma Reynolds wrote to the regulator after Thames made its final offer on restructuring, saying that the offer as it was did not meet the environmental interests, or the interests of the customers.

“That’s where we are. There’s been a lot of stuff in the newspapers about how Thames are going to make a different offer that hasn’t materialised in fact yet.

“So I will wait and see what they come up with. But what’s absolutely certain is the status quo is not an option.”

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Angela Eagle met with Thames Water’s management earlier this month (Alamy)

The Labour MP for Wallasey continued: “We have had 40 years of a privatised water system that has not delivered the benefits that those that privatised it said it would.

“It was privatised without debt, so debt-free. It’s now £85bn in debt, and we have collapsing infrastructure in many places, high levels of water bills and sewage in our rivers and sea.

“That is not a system that’s working. And the Prime Minister has asked me to look to see what we can do to improve that, and that is what I’m doing.”

Elsewhere in the interview, Eagle, who is one of the longest-serving MPs in the House of Commons, said it feels easier to get things done in the Burnham government than it did in the Keir Starmer administration, explaining that, in her view, the civil service had become “very encrusted in process” in recent years.

She said there’s a “more coherent direction” at the centre of government thanks to Burnham’s vision: “We know what his basic parameters are and what he wants to achieve.”

Eagle, who revealed this was her 46th Labour conference, said Whitehall was much less “process” focused when Labour was last in power than it is now.

Reflecting on her time as an environment minister in the Tony Blair government, she told the podcast: “It was very, very different the second time around than the first. The first time was much faster decisions, much less process to get through.”

The cabinet minister told PoliticsHome there are too many consultations in the civil service, “consultations just coming out of every pore for no obvious reason,” joking: “You have to have a government write-round about whether you can breathe in.”

Eagle said much of it is because departments are worried about leaving themselves open to judicial review, where their decisions are taken to court and potentially overturned.

But she added: “We just have to get the boat out of the harbour, turn it over, get all the barnacles off it, and see if we can actually get faster processes.”


The Rundown is presented by Alain Tolhurst, and is produced and edited by Lulu Goad and Ewan Cameron for Podot

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