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Sebastian Stan Interview on ‘Fjord’ Politics, ‘Batman: Part II’
Sebastian Stan disappears into his roles, from his Oscar-nominated performance as Donald Trump in “The Apprentice” to the disfigured actor in “A Different Man,” which won him Berlin’s Silver Bear and the Comedy Golden Globe. Stan was also unrecognizable as metal rocker Tommy Lee in Emmy-nominated “Pam & Tommy.”
Stan also altered his look dramatically, shaving his head in his latest incarnation in Cristian Mungiu’s Palme d’Or-winning “Fjord,” in which he plays the Romanian patriarch of a family of five children, with his “A Different Man” costar Renate Reinsve as his Norwegian wife. After they move to a small town in Norway, they run into dramatic cultural differences as the local child protection services take their children away in order to investigate suspected physical abuse.
Of course, Stan is most famous for his nine Marvel features and TV spinoffs as Bucky Barnes the Winter Soldier. That supporting character returns to theaters on December 18 in “Avengers: Doomsday.” But we’ll have to wait until February, 2028 to see Stan again as Harvey Dent/Two-Face in DC’s long-delayed “The Batman: Part II.”
For the moment, on a warm fall day, Stan talks about “Fjord” at Neon’s lower Manhattan offices.
The following interview has been edited and condensed for clarity and length.
Anne Thompson: I don’t know any other actor who disappears the way you do. It isn’t like we think of you as Sebastian Stan. We think of you as whoever you’re playing. Is that OK? Is that what you want?
Sebastian Stan: I’m accepting that route because a lot of people lately, like Chloe Zhao, have said to me, “This is what you do now. You’re not going to look like yourself.” And the timing of these movies back to back has been serendipitous. I didn’t set out consciously to transform physically. I was in this Marvel thing for many years, and I looked one way, and I saw somehow my life get smaller on the streets here, walking around and felt to some extent I was getting pigeonholed in this thing.

So people do recognize you as Bucky Barnes.
Yeah, and it still happens for that character, and it’s heartwarming, and it’s amazing, and it helped inspire me to want to seek out things that would allow for something else. Because, as Cristian Mungiu recently put it, this movie will liberate me and the audience to do something without this judgment of, “oh there’s that actor doing that thing you know.” When I was a kid, nobody judged you for putting on wigs and things, you would get up there and it’d be free and you’d walk different. That’s part of my relationship to trying to remain in love with [making movies]. It’s hard, because a lot of things go wrong and things fall apart, you get rejected, or the movie sucks, or you suck. There’s a lot of things about this business that will constantly want to derail you.
“The Apprentice” had a strange route through differing European and American reactions.
It had a bad reaction. It reminded me that this is not always about being liked, and it’s not always about being safe, and you’re going to have to go and talk about these things for months, right, and promote it, and you’re hoping there’s something there. There’s going to have to be something more that you’re going to say than “I love movies.”

How did you and Mungiu put your distinctive look together?
He was adamant that he didn’t want Renate and I to be recognized in a way that would distract from this family or the story. I said, “Whatever you want to do.” I did not think he wanted this bald head or whatever. We’d gone over [to Romania] because she and I had rehearsals in January, February before we started shooting in March, and we started going to these services of this religious sect, doing some research, integrating her into the Romanian culture. We had camera tests, and tried on clothes and glasses, and then he said he wanted to shave my head.
I called the prosthetics guy who did help me with the Trump chin, and he did the “Pam & Tommy” stuff, and he did some teeth for me, and that was it. My favorite part was going to set the first day, and there’s no hair and makeup. There’s nothing: “great!” We were right in it. It was so nuts and bolts. There’s nothing glamorous about the movie. Nobody had some special room or trailer. We were all living in this weird hotel that Henrik Ibsen used to go to. We’d walk to set into this home every day, surrounded by these mountains. So the isolation helped us stay in it. I was surrounded by Romanian people, and so I was speaking Romanian all the time and I was doing the accent. I think all of that contributed.
This movie gave you a chance to return to your roots.
One way I had into this movie was, when I first read it, I understood the kids, because I left Romania when I was eight, and I went to Vienna with my mom. She was a single mom, a pianist at the time, then became a piano teacher, remarried an American in Vienna. We were there for four years, and then when I was 12, I moved to the States. I never wanted to speak Romanian. I did not want to have an accent. I did not want to be different. I even begged her, funny enough, to let me be named Christopher because I thought my name was weird. She named me after Sebastian Bach. I understood the kids being different and the shame of that self-awareness, and feeling like you need to make allies rather than enemies. That made sense to me, even with my character, this idea that you want to be left in peace and not stick out. And when you’re a kid, it’s brutal. You’re either part of the playground rules or you’re not.
Where were you exactly in the States?
Outside of New York City in Rockland County. I grew up in Suffern and Nyack. I went to this camp, Stagedoor Manor in the Catskills, and that’s where I met my manager, who I’m still with.
Did you feel comfortable with your reunion with your Romanian side?
First of all, 80 percent of the crew was Romanian, and I’m already aware of my own bullshit. They were going to smell me, with the accent and everything. I’ve always spoken fluently the language. I had this accent because I was not from there. Cristian Mungiu is like the Martin Scorsese, the Steven Spielberg. He can pick anybody to play this role, and he goes and picks the kid that left and became Americanized. I didn’t know if they were going to judge me for that.
It was totally the opposite: I was welcomed and embraced. They were throwing a flag over me. I was worried when the movie would come out in Romania, which it hasn’t yet. I never thought I would be going back in some way. My mom hasn’t seen the movie; she’s going to see it on Sunday for the first time, and the way I met Cristian was at his movie, “The Graduation,” in 2016 at the New York Film Festival with my mom. So on Sunday it’ll be this funny moment where we’re all back together.
The Romanian father is reserved and contained. You’re not trying to make us like you.
People have strong feelings about the movie. I love a good knee-jerk reaction because I always feel like it means it’s getting to some truth that’s not explored. We’ve been talking about the movie, and I keep referencing Cristian’s movies, this idea of the cinema to express rather than impress, right? And I feel the same way with actors.
Our job is not to use any melodrama or sentimentality to manipulate or rope the audience into the situation. He also doesn’t do a lot of close-ups, and he does these long one-shot, multiple takes, just one shot, no cuts scenes. I had never worked that way before. I’d also come off of playing these larger than life characters, and I wanted to find something more nuanced and restrained. The character reacts very differently than you or I would if your kids are being taken away.
Both Renate and I instinctively were wanting to “let us go there.” But there’s a belief system to these people. And there’s a magnifying glass to them, so everything they do is being watched, and there’s allegations against them. There’s a reason that they’re behaving the way that they are. One of them is this belief system that no matter what happens, you know that there’s a higher power, a higher spirit that will figure itself out. You got to trust, and you got to keep your emotions in check, and you can’t try to manipulate the situation. Just be as Zen about it as you can.
And did you also understand culturally what the parental rules of the game were with this family and with this man?
It feels now the timing has to be right for these roles and certain movies. I have a kid now. I was in my mid-40s already when we shot this, I had been with a partner. We had discussed kids. I had lost my dad a few years before. I had gotten to a place where I was looking forward, and I could see as far back as I could see forward. And I was asking myself, “What are the things that I’ve inherited from my parents? What are the things that I want to pass on to my kid? What works? What doesn’t work?” And so I was in a headspace where I could understand what was happening here. Because to me, the movie is about kids. How do we raise kids today? That’s how I saw it.
Looking back at the male Romanian male father figures, my father and I also grew up with my grandfather. They were strict, stern, no emotions, restrained. No expression of affection. It wasn’t considered manly. That’s not how I am. I’m not doing that with my kid. But also I’ve had therapy. I’m in this creative space. I was never spanked or whatever. I was lucky because, for a large part, I grew up with women. I was not in an environment where I experienced that level of strictness.

The reaction to this movie fascinates me, starting in Cannes. On the one hand, you get the Palme d’Or, which was a surprise?
One hundred percent. On the day, all that was communicated was Cristian was asked to stay, and I thought that meant he won director or screenplay. And Renate said, “Well, let’s go anyway,” and I said, “OK.” I was finding out in real time what was happening.
But the other reactions were all over the place as to how people interpreted the movie. It’s not trying to make points, it’s trying to open up questions.
There’s two things. One is we have to look at our level of tolerance now, and what availability do we have for further questions? Because it seems with what’s going on in the world, perhaps what people want at times, you can argue, is escapism, or they want positivity, or they want nostalgia. They want to look back at the “good old days,” but with only selective thinking. I hear all these things about the ’90s, but people are forgetting how in the ’90s we could actually still have a conversation and disagree, and we could still find nuance in point of view and in different topics. And the fact that has eroded is scary.
The movie is going to age well. At the core the movie does require a certain self-analysis perhaps, which I don’t know if people are willing to do. What I am reacting to is the absolutism as it applies to whatever it is, whether it’s a belief system, whether it’s a certain difference that we’re seeing in somebody else that’s not falling in line with the rest of us. The movie does make its case. I suspect it’s for one reason: that we all, on a primal level, understand that removing children from their family is not right.
Right.
Whether it’s in Norway and their breastfeeding baby, whether it’s in Norway from a “religious family,” or whether it’s on the border of Mexico, or in Gaza, or anywhere, it’s easy to go, “oh, they’re conservative. I’m done, I’m out.” The movie’s showing me that we are so programmed now to immediately label it black or white, red or blue, not seeing the thread that it’s for the kids. But I do feel like the family needs to also evolve.

Well, to recognize how to adapt to cultural differences. But the movie is a little hazy about what the father may have actually done.
That’s on purpose. I mean, it’s such an interpretive thing for a viewer, depending on their situation, it’s better to leave it at that.
Are you going back to Marvel? Is there more to come?
I know there’s this other film that’s meant to shoot next year, but I haven’t heard anything about it. There’s a lot of people waiting to see when it’s going to happen. I don’t know if it’s on the schedule yet.
And you’re fine if it is going to happen.
I value loyalty a lot. Maybe it’s because I’m a Leo. I’m grateful for what that world has done for me. It gave me consistency, and it gave me sustainability for many years. I never made it to the real starting five. I’ve been always off the bench. I think it gave me a longer lifespan over there. And then it also allowed me to go and play for other teams.
What’s happening with the delayed DC “The Batman” sequel?
We’re in a very deep, deep winter on the Batman movie.
So that’s for 2028, right?
Right. On the weekends, I’ve been doing Spanish classes because next year I’m going to do this movie with this Chilean director that I love, Felipe Galvez, who did this movie, “The Settlers.” His new film is about Pinochet and his arrest in London when he was trying to be extradited by the Spanish and the Chileans at the same time, and to be held accountable for all these crimes. Spanish is a little bit closer to Romanian because it comes from Latin. And so I play a character not of Spanish descent, a European that speaks Spanish fluently and English in the movie.
“Fjord” is currently playing in theaters.
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The Hole: Theo James, Hoyeon, Christian Slater Movie Gets 2027 Release
Filmmaker Kim Jee-woon’s The Hole has found an opening on the summer 2027 release calendar.
Amazon MGM Studios‘ specialty film label Orion Pictures is set to release The Hole theatrically on June 25, 2027, The Hollywood Reporter has learned. Theo James, Hoyeon, Yeom Hye-ran and Christian Slater round out the movie’s cast.
The Hole centers on Owen (James), an American professor living in South Korea. After his wife dies in a car accident, Owen’s Korean mother-in-law cares for him and begins learning secrets about his marriage and past. The suspenseful thriller takes place in Seoul and Berkeley, Calif.
Jee-woon helms The Hole from a script by Christopher Chen that adapts author Hye-young Pyun’s 2016 best-selling Korean-language novel of the same name. Producers include Anthology Studios, K. Period Media and Esmail Corp, while Department M and Medan are financing and executive producing.
Also set for theatrical release on June 25, 2027, is Warner Bros.’ untitled Ocean’s Eleven prequel from writer-director Bradley Cooper, who will star alongside Margot Robbie, Wagner Moura and Monica Barbaro.
James leads the Guy Ritchie-created series The Gentlemen for Netflix, which is set to return for its third season, while his feature credits include Fuze, Rosemead, The Monkey and the Divergent franchise.
Hoyeon is known for her breakout role on Netflix’s Squid Game, along with starring in the recent feature Hope and appearing on the series Disclaimer.
Hye-ran was seen in the recent film No Other Choice and is also known for such series as The Glory and The Uncanny Counter.
Slater has had roles in such features as If I Had Legs I’d Kick You and Blink Twice, and he can soon be seen in Amazon MGM’s How to Rob a Bank, opposite Nicholas Hoult and Zoë Kravitz.
Jee-woon’s previous features include Cobweb, Illang: The Wolf Brigade, The Age of Shadows and the Arnold Schwarzenegger-led The Last Stand.
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Golden Globes Legal Fight Heats Up As Awards Show Owner Sues Foundation
The 84th annual Golden Globes Awards are months away, but the once boozy and often unhinged ceremony is front and center right now, at least in the court dockets.
Two months after the remnants of the Hollywood Foreign Press Association sued Penske Media Corporation for it’s part in dick clark production’s purchase of the Golden Globes in 2023 with allegations of monopolization and fraudulent misrepresentation, the Penske-controlled Golden Globes is going after the Golden Globe Foundation for trademark infringement and unfair competition.
Now, if you need to take a moment and re-read that to separate the Globes from the Globe, we get that – it’s a lot. This might also be a good time for some transparency to remind everyone that PMC is the parent company of Deadline owners PMX.
In this particular point of legal loggerheads, the Golden Globes say they need a jury to step in and get the GGF to stop trying to muddy the waters.
Putting a lot of emphasis on GGF board boss Raffi Boghosian, the Golden Globes’ four-claim complaint details: “Defendant has adopted and continued using the GOLDEN GLOBE mark as part of its corporate name and in connection with a broad array of activities, including hosting events, conducting auctions, awarding grants, publishing materials, and developing merchandise—activities that are confusingly similar to Plaintiff’s business and have caused and threaten to continue to cause consumer confusion—without authorization from Plaintiff and over Plaintiff’s express demand that Defendant cease such use.”
What the Globes and their Sidley Austin attorneys want from the court and the GGF is an injunction to stop them using said mark and a trophy cabinet of unspecified damages to make sure they don’t try to do it again.
The filing also alleges that “GGF’s activities and use of the GOLDEN GLOBE Mark have also expanded well beyond its stated charitable mission” to now engage “in other commercial and quasi-commercial activities.” In fact, the September 30 filing in federal court insists the non-plural Foundation rejected a 2025 cease and desist letter and cut off licensing negotiations in July 2026 when Boghosian took over the GGF.
Add to that, as well as listing the many HFPA scandals over the years and the havoc and near death it bought to the GG ceremony’s lucrative TV rights, the complaint says the “GGF’s unauthorized and expanding use of the GOLDEN GLOBE Mark is part of a broader pattern of coordination between GGF and the HFPA directed against Plaintiff and its affiliates.”
Then there’s that previous lawsuit. As always, there’s also the money.
“On information and belief, GGF and the HFPA have since entered into or are in the process of finalizing a settlement of the HFPA’s claims against GGF that would result in GGF transferring charitable funds to the HFPA,” the Golden Globes filing of last months asserts.
“On information and belief, the HFPA’s inclusion of GGF as a defendant was a pretext designed to facilitate this transfer, and the settlement is intended to redirect charitable funds to finance the HFPA’s lawsuit and other private disputes against Plaintiff. This coordination between GGF and the HFPA further demonstrates that GGF’s continued use of the GOLDEN GLOBE Mark is not undertaken in good faith, but rather as part of a concerted effort to trade on the goodwill of Plaintiff’s mark while acting in alignment with the HFPA against Plaintiff’s interests.”
Guess what? The GGF don’t see it that way, or at least not with that characterisation.
“The Golden Globe Foundation was created in 2023 as part of the same deal that sold the Golden Globes to the company now suing us,” GGF spokesman Nate Miller said in a statement Tuesday. “That company then promoted our name. The Golden Globes’ president welcomed guests to our first grants dinner, where we gave $5 million to 96 organizations, and publicly thanked Penske Media’s own Robb Report for supporting the Foundation.
They went on to say: “Now that company, owned by Penske Media and billionaire Todd Boehly’s Eldridge, is suing a nonprofit that supports schools and press freedom over the same name it once celebrated. This lawsuit is a transparent attempt to pressure the Foundation, and we will answer it in court.”
As these lawsuits ramp up, so does awards season again.
To that, the submission deadline for the 2027 Golden Globes is October 30 this year. Kicking everything to the other side of the holidays, and Nikki Glaser will be back for a third time hosting the ceremony when it airs on CBS and streams on Paramount+ on January 10, 2027.
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‘Avatar: Seven Havens’: Adaptions and Animation Styles
If there’s an object lesson right now in the different paths that franchises can take, and their varying levels of success, it’s found in the year that “Avatar” is having. “Avatar: The Last Airbender” was a project of Nickelodeon Animation Studios back in 2005, created by Michael Dante DiMartino and Bryan Konietzko, and its omission from the New York Times Best TV Shows of the 21st Century is so egregious that ten different friends yelled at me, a person who has never worked there, about it.
(IndieWire would never make such an error).
The series ended in 2008 after three seasons (or “books,” as the show puts it) and a four-part finale that is one of, if not the, most structurally flawless series wrap-ups in television history, animated or otherwise. The style, influenced by the expressiveness of anime but very much shaped in boldness of line and color by the very different martial arts disciplines behind elemental “bending.”
Lots of people can bend one of the four elements, of course, and are therefore known as Earthbenders, Firebenders, Waterbenders, etc. But only the Avatar — sing along if you know the words — can master all four elements and bring balance to the world. The animation of the original series was overseen by three South Korean studios, chiefly JM Animation in the early seasons and MOI Animation in the latter ones. The unified look that they all achieved was a fantastic kind of balance in its own right.
“ATLA” could be as exuberant and imaginative and chaotic as its protagonist, Aang (Zach Tyler Eisen), the titular last airbender, and his best buddy, the sky-bison Appa (Dee Bradley Baker). It was also capable of soulful, luminous landscapes that made the world of the show, the “Four Nations,” feel fascinatingly complete and distinct.
Much is written, and rightly so for a series such an unapologetically, joyfully Asian and Aboriginal world, about the influences on “The Last Airbender.” The Earth Kingdom is very height of the Chinese bureaucracy-coded, for instance, while the Fire Nation simmers with the sharp industrialism of Imperial Japan. But “ATLA” has had its own influence on the direction of animated series, too — from the visual lushness of something like “Blue Eye Samurai” to the incredible action of a “Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood,” to the deep friendships and tectonic character growth in shows like “She-Ra: Princesses of Power” or “Star Wars Rebels.”
All that doesn’t scratch the surface, let alone under the Secret Tunnels, of what makes “Avatar: The Last Airbender” great. Which perhaps explains why people keep trying to run it back.

There’s the M. Night Shyamalan “The Last Airbender” live-action film adaptation of the original from 2010, and the less said about that, the better. Netflix has tried a live-action series reciting chapter and verse of its animated ancestor, “Avatar: The Last Airbender,” and while Dallas Liu has somehow found a way to become Prince Zuko, the show has also run into a number of similar problems of live-action adaptation. There’s this desire, understandable on its face, to make the design and aesthetics of the live-action world recognizably similar to the animated world. But animation is just so much more expressive, so much more information can be carried through color and line size and boldness and the kind of unreal physicality that nonetheless conveys real emotion. Neither live-action project has found ways to do the things that only animation can.
On the animated front, DiMartino and Konietzko first made a direct sequel, “The Legend of Korra,” which ran on Nickelodeon for 2012 to 2014 and focused on the Avatar directly following Aang, following the Water Tribe’s own himbo princess/Avatar Korra (Janet Varney) as an older teen compared to the 12-year-old Aang. This is in part to account for a slightly older audience, already familiar with the original series, and also to make some truly awful (complimentary) silent film jokes in Season 2.

“Korra” builds complexity onto the animation style of “ATLA,” which fits the main metropolitan setting of Republic City where the story takes place. Everything is a little bit more rivets and angles, a little bit less wide expanse. The animation is, perhaps, less careful and clear, relying more on weight and impact, and larger explosions that the intricate choreography of “Avatar.” But it feels very much like a companion piece.
Or it did, until the “Avatar” franchise started spinning up so many other companions. Leaving aside the comics, tie-books, video games, and other ancillary delights of exploiting successful IP, there’s the Netflix show, of course. But in 2021 DiMartino and Konietzko spun-up Avatar Studios, to manage the many, many other animated projects still gripping the original harder than a turtle crab.
It’s a sign of how Paramount+ wants to proceed as Hollywood’s new Lion Turtle that there is a new animated film, out earlier this year, called “Avatar Aang: The Last Airbender,” which follows a now-grown Aang and tries valiantly to be more than a bit of fan service to adults who are also now grown past the most interesting part of the Avatar’s story. There is also a spinoff devoted to another previous Avatar, Kuruk, although “Avatar Kuruk: Wave of Chaos” will probably not involve as much monster-fucking as Kuruk’s furs in flashback have promised.
Again and again, the creative team behind the original and newcomers have looked at “Avatar: The Last Airbender” and decided not to overthrow the Fire Lord of design aesthetic, overall time period, focus characters, and tone. And as a result, none of those projects are as good as the original.

Neither is the newest effort set in the world of “ATLA,” at least not yet. But “Avatar: Seven Havens” is at least a breath of fresh (irradiated, post-apocalyptic sandstorm-y) air because it really gives itself the room to be its own thing in animation style, storytelling framework, and themes.
Set hundreds of years after “Korra” in a world that looks vastly different to the Four Nations we’ve known and loved, “Seven Havens” has kind of a “The Force Awakens” relationship to its ancestor series — young protagonists with cute animal sidekicks, a very similar spin on the opening voiceover announcing each episode, big fighting set pieces, and heavier themes paired right alongside kid-appropriate hijinks. There is a fun, as-yet-underexplained mystery as to how Korra did or did not create a cataclysm that rendered most of the world uninhabitable, and a fun, as-yet-underexplained double-down on the number of Avatars in existence. But it gets away with hewing closely to the original in plot and tone because it looks different.
The animation of “Seven Havens” comes mainly from French studio La Chouette Compagnie. While some of the colors and cultural touches in shapes and fighting style still align with the original animated shows, much of “Seven Havens” is really different — to use a Ghibli analogy (a Ghibnalogy?), “Seven Havens” looks to “Nausicäa of the Valley of the Wind,” instead of the original’s eye on “Totoro” or “Korra’s” kinship with “Howl’s Moving Castle.”
On the one hand, the show’s eye for creative destruction and interesting critters and a kind of broken stained-glass feel to the world beyond the Haven (one of the seven) of Ellora is just another reminder that “Scavengers Reign” looked really cool. On the other hand, though, by pulling in more Hindu and Jainist influences into the design of Ellora and remixing those with the existing world of “ATLA,” “Seven Havens” feels richly evolved from that existing world, rather than a pale shadow.
The show has already proved that doing something that looks radically different is maybe the only way for a franchise like “Avatar” to survive.
The first three episodes of “Avatar: Seven Havens” are now streaming on Paramount+.
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