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Vince Gilligan Interview on ‘Pluribus,’ International Production

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If you have plans to become a time-traveler, you needn’t bother going back 20 years to tell a younger Vince Gilligan about the success of “Breaking Bad.” Not only is he convinced that he wouldn’t believe you, but you might send some serious ripples out into the time-space continuum — Vince Gilligan thinks his past self wouldn’t believe that he’s been able to shoot three TV shows and a movie in Albuquerque, New Mexico. 

And yet, as Gilligan preps Season 2 of “Pluribus” and looks back on the first season of the Rhea Seehorn sci-fi series, he and his team have been able to do exactly that. 

“It’s in large part because of Christian Diaz de Bedoya, our location manager. He and his wonderful team of location scouts and various folks in his department continue to find new places to shoot in this kinda medium-sized city. We’ve been doing it for 20 years now,” Gilligan told IndieWire on a recent episode of the Filmmaker Toolkit Podcast. “[You might worry] how’s it going to double for all these different places we’re going to want to use for? And lo and behold, it does.” 

“Breaking Bad” and “Better Call Saul” were both locked into ABQ as a setting since 2008, but “Pluribus” needn’t have been. Prickly romantasy author Carol Sturka (Seehorn) really could have lived in a lot of different places before an alien virus transforms most of the rest of humanity into a chipper hivemind that wants to spread its particular species of happiness across the stars. And yet, it’s through leaning into the years of specificity and connection to New Mexico that has helped allow Gilligan and his writing to ground the ambitious, high-concept premise. 

“If you’re gonna climb Mount Everest, it’s better not to do it with an anvil on your back,” Gilligan quipped. “I love this crew so much, so we could have shot the show [in Albuquerque] but set it, story-wise, in another city. But that would’ve been a mistake. Don’t make it harder for yourself than you have to. Call Albuquerque, Albuquerque. That helps us out a lot.” 

It helps what is, at this point, a well-oiled creative team continue to do great work together and push each other, of course. But it also helps in terms of the texture, the colors, the character of the world that Carol inhabits. 

Carol and Zosia sitting on the steps of Carol's home in 'Pluribus'
‘Pluribus’ Anna Kooris

In leaning into New Mexico as a home base, Gilligan and his team visually impact the kind of protagonist that she is — flummoxed, cantankerous, self-loathing, and yet dogged and sly and, on occasion, startlingly inventive. By building almost the whole of Carol’s house — nearly twice, interiors and exteriors, thanks to production designer Denise Pizzini — Gilligan and his directing team are able to craft a felt visual sense of both her darkest moments and the moments when, like the vibrant art and plants defying the New Mexico desert, she’s able to make something out of the impossible situation she finds herself in. 

The clear visual language at home has also meant that Gilligan and his team can flex what they do abroad. “Pluribus” does have a pretty full passport in terms of traveling around the world in-show, and the production shot internationally in Spain and the Canary Islands, a first for Gilligan. “It was nice to learn that this film community that I’m lucky enough to be a part of, it feels like a fellowship that stretches across oceans. I really enjoyed learning that,” Gilligan said. 

A man with a machete cutting through the jungle in 'Pluribus'
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And it took a fellowship for some of the most ambitious sequences in the show, including montages of global travel by plane, car, and through deadly jungles, as well as the “Last of Us” level mayhem that breaks out at the end of the “Pluribus” pilot, when the alien virus is unleashed. 

“Our UPM on ‘Breaking Bad’ back in the day, Stu Lyons, he would always say, ‘Montage is French for over budget,’” Gilligan joked. But the process montages of “Pluribus” are where the show gets to be huge, and they are a huge statement of purpose for the humanity-wide (also sometimes goats) story that Gilligan and his team are telling. 

“There are writers who love writing dialogue and, to me, that’s great for plays. But then there’s cinema. TV and movies. When you can tell a story without dialogue, when you can practically read a character’s mind, or conversely when in their silence they’re more of a mystery, and that is intriguing and pulls you in deeper as a viewer? That’s what I love about cinema,” Gilligan said. “Some of my proudest moments are whole scenes, page after page going by, without a word of dialog in it. To me, that’s cinema.” 

It helps, then, that “Pluribus” is building on an established cinematic language Gilligan has spent two decades developing, and that he only wants to push even further in the seasons to come. “All these Emmy nominations, they were just the cherry on top. And I’m so happy for Rhea,” Gilligan said. “And I hope we don’t disappoint in Season 2. I have no intention of doing that; I’m very excited about Season 2. I’m sorry for the long wait, but we’re so excited about the stories we’ve got coming up for you guys in Season 2.” 

Season 1 of “Pluribus” is on Apple TV.

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Netflix Nabs ‘The Headlands House’ Starring Colman Domingo (Exclusive)

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EXCLUSIVE: Emmy winner Colman Domingo (Euphoria, Michael) stars in The Headlands House, a thriller limited series, which, in a competitive situation, has landed at Netflix for development. From AMC Studios, it is executive produced by Colman Domingo and Raúl Domingo for their Edith Productions and Patrick Moran (The Rainmaker) via his PKM Productions.

The Headlands House is written and executive produced by Cameron B. Dupont (Yellowjackets). In it, a marriage begins to fracture after a gay couple moves into their dream home, only to discover that its prior residents were brutally murdered on the property—and that their own lives may now be in danger, too.

This would mark Domingo’s third series for Netflix where he headlined the 2024 limited series The Madness and also stars in the comedy series The Four Seasons, which has earned him two Emmy nominations for the two seasons to date. Domingo’s relationship with Netflix also spans film, including his Oscar-nominated performance in Rustin, as well as Ma Rainey’s Black Bottom, and the upcoming An Innocent Girl.

Domingo also has a relationship with AMC Global Media, most notably, starring as Victor Strand on Fear the Walking Dead, the second series in AMC’s Walking Dead Universe, which ran for eight seasons from 2015-2023. It is that relationship and the first-look deal Edith Productions has there, that led to AMC Studios’ involvement in the project.

The Headlands House signals an expansion into third-party production for AMC Studios, which AMC Global Media CEO Kristin Dolan alluded to on the company’s most recent earnings call.

“In addition to creating programming for our own platforms, our studio team is actively developing projects with a range of leading distributors,” she said. “Producing for others is a natural offshoot of our internal development process.”

AMC Studios previously developed and produced Apple TV’s Silo before Apple Studios took over the big-budget sci-fi drama after Season 1.

From co-founder and CEO Colman Domingo and co-founder and president Raúl Domingo, Edith has produced Sing Sing, It’s What’s Inside, Dead Man’s Wire, the animated short film New Moon, North Star, When My Sleeping Dragon Woke, Bottomless Brunch at Colman’s and Season 1 of You are Here for AMC Networks. Colman Domingo is repped by WME, Liebman Entertainment and Schreck Rose Dapello Adams Berlin & Dunham.

Moran executive produces the USA Network series The Rainmaker and has Genuine Fraud, starring The Summer I Turned Pretty‘s Rain Spencer, and Rich AF, in development at Amazon under his first-look deal there, and Just One Day, starring Kathryn Newton, in the works at Hulu.

Dupont is managed by Echo Lake Entertainment and also repped by Ryan & Jesse Nord of The Nord Group.

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Behind the ‘Top Chef’ Casting Process — Interview

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Unlike some other — although equally beloved — cooking competition shows, the demands on a “Top Chef” contestant are intense and specific. There’s really only a small cohort of James Beard award finalists, chefs opening their first restaurants, and up-and-coming culinary stars on the Internet who can handle the wide range of demands and timed challenges of the legendary Bravo series

And yet, Ron Mare and the Magical Elves casting team keep finding them. 

Mare, who joined “Top Chef” in 2017, has cast Seasons 15 through 23 (and counting), told IndieWire that there are definitely some benefits to being part of such a long-running show. For as many people who decide to audition for the hell of it — and they do occasionally find some diamonds in the rough — there’s also a clear understanding within the culinary world of what “Top Chef” is, who is qualified to do it, and how, even if you don’t win the competition, the series can change your life. 

“Everyone that’s qualified to do it wants to do it,” Mare said. “When someone says no, it’s usually because they’re opening a restaurant and they can’t get away from it, or they can’t dedicate the time just yet. It’s usually a timing issue.”  

There’s no timing issue for the casting team itself, because even when they’re out of season, they’re constantly sending each other chefs on Instagram or culinary write-ups of new chefs as potential contestants to consider. “We could not be casting for another six months, but we’re like, ‘Let’s write down this person.’ We ask pretty much all of the show’s alumni, too, ‘Is there anyone you would want to recommend?’ Because they know who can handle it,” Mare said. “It doesn’t even have to be someone they know. It could be, ‘I was traveling, and I went to this restaurant and the food was amazing. Check out this person. No one’s writing about them yet.’” 

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‘Top Chef’ Paul Cheney/BRAVO

Mare and his team have spreadsheets on spreadsheets tracking potential chefs, often for years before they’re invited to audition. But putting together contestants for each season is much more involved than a quickfire challenge. “It’s not even about, ‘Let’s see if [a potential contestant] gets nominated for a James Beard. Sometimes you can just tell they need another year or two before they go on,” Mare said. “We don’t want to put somebody on the show before they’re ready.” 

It’s a misconception about reality competition casting that the team is looking for potential flame-outs and drama. Mare said that “Top Chef,” more than any other series he’s worked on, wants to support and nurture potential contestants and contestants. In addition to camera tests and close research into a chef’s menus, background, and experience to see if and when a chef will thrive inside the world of “Top Chef” challenges, the casting team stays in close contact with the chefs to answer questions and guide them through each step of the process. 

“ We’re never going to put somebody on TV [just because]. We’re never gonna be like, ‘They’re twins, we have to do it.’” That’s not what it is at all,” Mare said. “They submit sample menus to us. We study them. They send over their resume. We have chefs take a look at them if we’re questioning anything. There are references. There are multiple things we do in order to ensure that the person is a good fit.”

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The casting team has a very long view of that good fit, as well. “Sometimes talented chefs don’t make it in, and we always reach back out to them next season. I’m sure you’ll hear some of the older Top Chefs talk about how they auditioned three, four, five times. Dan Jacobs, I think he auditioned like 10 times. Eventually, it makes sense,” Mare said. “I always tell people, if you don’t make it on, it’s not about you not being a good chef or people not liking you. You may not have fit into that puzzle for whatever reason this season, but absolutely keep in contact.” 

When the casting team knows it makes sense, it’s because each chef fits into the larger ensemble they have to build for each season, one that must feature compelling, distinct, and yet also complementary storylines. That balancing act is way more involved than a Quickfire Challenge; for Season 23, it was made even more challenging by the casting team embracing a few duos, which lowered the number of available slots open for other chefs.

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‘Top Chef’ Paul Cheney/Bravo

“It’s such a high-level show. There’s a ton of eyes on it, and every year you want to try to do better than the last time,” Mare said. “We stumbled across [twins Jonathan Dearden and Brandon Dearden] and it felt like gold. So we continued them in the process; and then, we’ve known [couple Jennifer Jackson and Justin Tootla] for a long time. We talked to them for multiple seasons, but they came back to us out of nowhere, ready to do it. So we just embraced duos. And that’s four out of 15 slots, so all the other people that made it on were super strong.” 

Supporting strong contestants through the arduous process of “Top Chef” is a not insignificant part of the reward for Mare and his team. Every season, selecting contestants at the exact right moment for both them and for the show, Mare and the casting team have changed lives. 

“I love to see so many chefs we cast go on and do such amazing things. Like, look at Kristen [Kish], becoming the host. Look at Mei Lin, Joe Sasto, Jeremy Ford, Buddha Lo, Brooke Williamson. Brooke has that deal with Food Network. So do the Voltaggios. It’s to their own credit; it’s because they’re such talented people. It has nothing to do with me. But it is gratifying to be able to see them and watch them grow,” Mare said.

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Naruto: Charles Melton to Play Kakashi Hatake

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Charles Melton, who recently landed an Emmy nomination for his role in the Netflix series Beef, is in final negotiations for a key role in the live-action Naruto movie set up at Lionsgate, sources tell The Hollywood Reporter.

Destin Daniel Cretton, who is currently in theaters for Spider-Man: Brand New Day, is set to direct the movie based on the manga series by Masashi Kishimoto.

Naruto is the coming-of-age story of a young and enthusiastic ninja named Naruto Uzumaki who wants to grow up to be the leader of his ninja village but also happens to have the spirit of a nine-tailed demon fox inside him. The story was serialized in Japan’s popular Weekly Shonen Jump from 1999 to 2014, and later spawned a couple of popular animated series that ran for years on Cartoon Network and Disney XD.

A search is underway to find the young actor to play Naruto. Melton is said to be playing Kakashi Hatake, the elite ninja mentor figure to the main character and his friends. Kakashi is one of the most popular characters in the long-running and massively popular manga.

Lionsgate had no comment on the casting.

Avi Arad, Ari Arad, and Emmy Yu are producing for Arad Productions with Jeremy Latcham. Cretton is producing alongside Jeyun Munford through his company, Hisako. 

Cretton, whose credits also include the Marvel movie Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings, is coming off the massive success of Spider-Man: Brand New Day. With its current $2 billion at the global box office, it is one of the highest-grossing movies of all time. Naruto is set to be next up for the director and is eyeing a production start around February 2027, according to sources.

Melton broke out as a star on the long-running CW series Riverdale where played Reggie Mantle and then transitioned into more prestige fare beginning with Todd Haynes’ May December, where he starred opposite Julianne Moore and Natalie Portman. His other credits have included Alex Garland’s Warfare and Nicolas Winding Refn’s Her Private Hell.

The actor is a longtime fan of anime and manga and is also extremely proficient in martial arts. He is a second degree black belt taekwondo and competed in the Junior Olympics held in Seoul, South Korea. 

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