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Vince Gilligan, Rhea Seehorn On The Mysteries Of ‘Pluribus’

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Pluribus creator and executive producer Vince Gilligan learned a big lesson about saying too much about a series when he answered questions about the meaning of his first big hit, Breaking Bad. “I was always talking about ‘this is what this means. No, you’re wrong and don’t interpret it that way.’ And that was a mistake on my part. I want the people who watched the show to tell me what it means. I really think they know better than I do,” he says now.

“We make the show. I can’t see the forest for the trees when we’re making it, but I like the idea of other people interpreting it for me. I think everyone else’s interpretation of this thing is way more interesting than mine is.” And indeed it is a rich concept that has viewers wondering if it is saying profound things about the effects of the pandemic, AI, immigration and other topics of the day. The fact is Gilligan came up with the idea 10 years ago and has been refining it in his head ever since. He welcomes every interpretation.

Gilligan joined his cast for a conversation Sunday at Deadline’s Contenders Television: The Nominees Studio to talk about Pluribus, his latest series following massive hits Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul. This one is a genre-breaking science fiction drama in which a global virus has turned almost all human beings into a hive mentality of shared bliss. A few have somehow missed catching it and are now fighting back, notably Carol (Rhea Seehorn), a novelist who must try to save the world from this newfound happiness.

Gilligan and Seehorn participated in the Contenders discussion with co-stars Karolina Wydra, who plays Zosia, Carlos-Manuel Vesga as Manousos, and guest star Jeff Hiller as Larry. All have received Emmy nominations along with the series, which landed 18 nominations overall including for Gilligan in the writing and directing categories.

Watch their conversation below and scroll down for photos from the event.

Originally, Gilligan’s thought was for the Carol role to be a man, but when he started actually writing it was Seehorn he had in mind. For Seehorn, who had an acclaimed supporting role in Better Call Saul, and for whom this is her first starring role on a series, it is especially sweet, even being called by her character name on the street.

“Yeah, it is my first lead role, and it’s been so much fun. And yes, I got a couple of ‘Hello, Carol’s now and then in grocery stores, which is pretty funny, but the fans have actually been amazing,” she said. “And the fact that the show, including what Vince is saying, that it is open to interpretation and has engendered really nuanced conversations and these amazing wild swings that take some tone from having comedy to having deep psychological drama and questions and stuff, just makes people actually come up to me with really interesting opinions about the show, and they feel very invested and they feel very invested in the character. And I feel very lucky that it is something that we made, that we’ve made to the best of our abilities, and so we were all so proud of it.”

Wydra felt an immediate connection with Seehorn’s Carol. “What I love about it is that Zosia is there to provide for Carol everything that she needs. I’m there to protect you. I’m there to make you feel seen and good. And it was great to play someone that doesn’t have the full spectrum of emotion, someone that you know is joyous, unflappable, and you know have these beautiful scenes with you where you have these feelings,” she said.

Vesga, the first male Colombian actor to be nominated for an Emmy, plays a man, like Carol, who has not been infected and feels very much alone. It is something he has felt in his own way being someone from another country suddenly in America and playing a role like this. “I would love to say that I was dreaming about this, but I wouldn’t even allow myself to dream this. It wasn’t a possibility. I’m just saying that this doesn’t happen to a Colombian actor, and it did,” he said, praising on Gilligan making it happen for him.

Jeff Hiller, who won an Emmy last year for Somebody, Somewhere and co-stars in another big nominated show this season Widow’s Bay, also from Apple TV, was to say the least surprised by his Guest Male Actor in a Drama Series Emmy nomination for Pluribus since the role doesn’t last more than seven minutes of screen time, and he says he really had no idea what it was about when called in to play it. He gives much credit to Seehorn and some behind the scenes artisans for being so generous.

“Well, it’s always hard to be a guest star, and it’s especially hard to be a guest star on a show that has this complicated of a premise. And the only way that it worked is because Rhea gave up a Sunday, a very precious day off on this very grueling shoot, invited me over, and we rehearsed for, like, hours.” he said, also noting other women on the team who helped that dya. “It was the gift of of those three women on a Sunday afternoon that made the performance.”

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Trump Fumes At CNN Reporter Who Asked About Natalie Harp

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Donald Trump fumed at CNN‘s Kristen Holmes as she tried to ask him about his communications with North Korean Leader Kim Jong Un.

In the Oval Office on Monday, Trump had been defending his relationship with Kim, saying that “I understand him. He understands.” The president posted on Truth Social on Sunday that he was ordering the military to reduce joint military exercises with South Korea.

Holmes attempted to ask a follow up, but Trump lashed out at her. “Quiet, quiet. You’re very disrespectful in front of this young man.”

The president gestured at Nathaniel Rai, a 10-year-old who was rescued from rough surf in Santa Cruz by lifeguard Ryder Williams, who sat across from him in the Oval Office.

“Okay, don’t you find her disrespectful?” Trump said to the boy. “He understands. Quiet.”

Trump asked Holmes which outlet she was with. When she said CNN, he said, “Fake news. You’re fake news. You’re a loud, boisterous person. You’re fake news. Be quiet…You’re a fake reporter, and you report fake news.”

Holmes is CNN’s senior White House correspondent.

Earlier in the Oval Office availability, Holmes had asked Trump about a comment made by Sen. Jon Ossoff (D-GA), who said that the president would rather travel with your aide, Natalie Harp, and build the ballroom, than do his job as president.

“What is your response?” Holmes asked.

Trump called Ossoff a “Pee Wee Herman lookalike” before defending the ballroom.

The White House’s rapid response account, though, blasted Holmes and called her “a disgraceful, humiliating embarrassment to her alleged profession. @POTUS hosts a hero lifeguard in the Oval Office and she uses it as an opportunity to take a cheap shot about one of President Trump’s staffer.”

In another post, the White House wrote to Holmes, “Someday, your children will come across your disgusting and inhumane question. They will be sickened and embarrassed to have a parent be so callous and vindictive. It’s quite troubling.”

The network said in a statement, “Kristen Holmes is one of the most respected and accomplished journalists covering the White House. This afternoon, she did her job and asked the President of the United States a tough, relevant and newsworthy question on behalf of the American people. Public officials are free to challenge reporting they disagree with, but personal attacks on journalists for asking question are beneath the office and inconsistent with the principles of a free press. We stand firmly behind Kristen and reject these attacks in the strongest possible terms.”

Trump said that the North Korean leader had responded to his request to have a conversation. ” get along with him. He didn’t like Biden. He didn’t like Obama. He didn’t like anybody. But I get along with him very well.” He criticized South Korea, the U.S. ally, for not helping with the war with Iran.

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‘Ketticè’ Review: Monica Bellucci in Luca Guadagnino-Produced Film

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They say that in the age of mass communication, cultures become homogenized, so that nearly everywhere in the developed and more quickly developing world you’ll find blue jeans, instant noodles and cellphones. But the taste for regionally specific entertainment stays strong — especially when it comes to visual fiction for and about young people, who hunger for stories about other kids like themselves, speaking with their dialect, displaying manners and customs that are familiar and settings they recognize.

All of this is to say that maybe you need to have been a Sicilian teenager in 2012 to really respond to Giovanni Tortorici’s Ketticè; many others might feel a little irked and bored by this tale of mostly vapid but good-looking teens getting high and messing their lives up in Palermo. The presence of Luca Guadagnino’s name in the credits as a producer and Monica Bellucci’s entertaining but all-too-scant turn as the main character’s tetchy mother may attract offshore interest, especially among streamers in need of fresh content.

Ketticè

The Bottom Line

Dude, where’s my Cinquecento?

Venue: Locarno Film Festival
Cast: Salvatore Gallina, Rachele Testagrossa, Monica Belluci, Davide Cirri, Rocco Sanfilippo, Anita Teresi, Giulio Amico, Salvatore Claudio Gallina di Lorenzo, Riccardo Abbate, Vincenzo Pirello, Nicolo Ferrante, Tommaso Cristiano Wirz, Ida Poerio, Marino Iaco, Stefania Raffadali
Director/screenwriter: Giovanni Tortorici

1 hour 47 minutes

The fact that writer-director Tortorici (Diciannove) was born in 1996, thus was 16 in 2012, is probably the main reason the film is set in that period, although it could just as easily have been set in 2025 or the late 00s, so long as it was a time when social media was up and running. In Ketticè’s time frame, all the kids are still blithely using Facebook to message each other, update their status and bully one another, the platform having not yet become the domain of the old, cranky and terminally uncool. This matters because quite a lot of the action happens digitally, with characters’ messages and posts appearing onscreen as they make assignations or insult one another and so on.

When not indirectly increasing Mark Zuckerberg’s growing billions, 16-year-old Giuilo (Salvatore Gallina) is a pretty normal kid growing up in Palermo, in Sicily, attending a private school and living in a large, antique-stuffed villa with his reasonably well-off parents (played by Bellucci and Tommaso Cristiano Wirz). An early dinner scene with Giulio’s imperious nonna (Stefania Raffadali) establishes that she’s the one with most of the money and power in that family, much to the chagrin of Giulio’s mama, who spends a lot of time sniping at her husband and mother-in-law and wishing she was back up North where she was raised. (Bellucci was born in Umbria, and even those who don’t speak Italian might be able to hear that her accent is quite unlike the distinctive Sicilian patois.)

As not just the only son but the family’s only child, Giulio has it pretty easy, with plenty of latitude to come and go as he pleases, and his own fairly new little car that he drives to and from school and around town to meet up with his friends. As the action starts, he has been one of the star players on the local soccer team — which in Italy is practically like being in a religious order — but his engagement with sports is about to wane. Although he has plenty of fairly indistinguishable male friends to hang out with and a pretty girlfriend, Elena (Ida Poerio), he seems a bit bored and restless.

Soon, he’s broken up with Elena, who admittedly accepts the split without much drama, and starts seeing his old friends less in favor of his newest buddy, Ketty (Rachele Testagrossa), a working-class girl famous for getting into fights with other girls and generally being something of a hellion.

They meet in a club and have that most teenage of introductions, a long kiss on the dance floor. But the most interesting thing about the film is that after that, Ketty and Giulio just stay friends — two heterosexual kids of different genders who happen to like each other’s company. Also, they both like smoking weed, and the slightly more streetwise Ketty easily persuades Giulio to ditch school and drive them out to the rundown suburbs to buy from street dealers. Then they roll a joint, hotbox in the car, and either go their separate ways or hang out more. The weeks pass on this rinse-and-repeat cycle until Giulio’s grades start to suffer, his soccer coach is furious at him for missing practice and, somewhat sinisterly, his ex-girlfriend Elena becomes a heroin addict, just in time to make Giulio start to question his life choices.

The end arrives disconcertingly abruptly, but one can infer that Giulio eventually gets his act together and maybe considers a career in filmmaking. But the feeling lingers that he might have done well to pay attention to his perceptive, long-suffering Italian teacher (Davide Cirri) and picked up a few more tricks where it comes to narrative structure; the script that his real-world equivalent Tortorici turns in here is a little low on incident, drama, humor and any kind of serious point.

On the plus side, as yet another portrait of kids these days, this one seems pretty tuned in to the younglings and their ways, and Tortorici gets solid performances from his likable cast, even if one or two can’t stop themselves from looking straight at the camera. The aforementioned rapport between two kids of the opposite sex that’s untroubled by any romantic angle is especially persuasive. It’s just a shame that the kids themselves aren’t very interesting — unless you happen to find teenagers fascinating in any form.

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‘My Life With The Walter Boys’ Star Nikki Rodriguez Signs With IAG

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EXCLUSIVE: Independent Artist Group (IAG) has signed actress Nikki Rodriguez for representation.

Rodriguez is the star of the Netflix hit YA series My Life with the Walter Boys, based on Ali Novak’s Wattpad novel of the same name. The coming-of-age series debuted its third season on the streamer on August 6, and it was renewed for a fourth season — which is currently in production.

Across the show’s three seasons, Rodriguez plays Jackie Howard, a New York native who prides herself on organization and meticulous planning. Upon losing her family in a tragic car accident, Jackie moves in with her mother’s best friend Katherine Walter (Sarah Rafferty), her husband George (Marc Blucas) and their nine sons and one daughter in Silver Falls, Colorado. There, Jackie gets swept up in a love triangle with Cole (Noah LaLonde) and Alex Walter (Ashby Gentry), the titular Walter boys.

Prior to her work on My Life With the Walter Boys, Rodriguez played the character of Vero in another Netflix hit series, On My Block. Rodriguez joined the series in the show’s fourth and final season, and worked closely alongside Diego Tinoco, who played Vero’s boyfriend Cesar Diaz.

Rodriguez continues to be repped by manager Eric Nelson at Nelson Management, Imprint, TMP Artists and attorneys Alex Kohner and Mitchell Ostrove at Yorn, Levine, Barnes, Krintzman, Rubenstein, Kohner, Endlich, Goodell & Gellman.

Dessi Gomez contributed to this report.
 

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