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John Leguizamo on Odyssey, Non-Traditional Casting, Spider-Man

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John Leguizamo, the veteran stage and screen actor and leading activist for Latino representation in Hollywood, who is currently garnering career-best notices and Oscar buzz for his portrayal of Eumaeus in Christopher Nolan’s The Odyssey, is our guest on this episode of The Hollywood Reporter’s Awards Chatter podcast, which was recorded in front of an audience of students at Chapman University.


Over the course of 42 years in the business, Leguizamo has worked with everyone. He has been directed by Brian De Palma, Spike Lee, Baz Luhrmann and Jon Favreau multiple times, as well as by Mike Nichols, George A. Romero, Ridley Scott, Todd Haynes, M. Night Shyamalan, Ava DuVernay and Christopher Nolan. And he has shared the screen with the likes of Sean Penn, Harrison Ford, Al Pacino, Leonardo DiCaprio, Wesley Snipes, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Robert De Niro, Keanu Reeves, Nicole Kidman, Kevin Hart, Tina Fey, Amy Poehler and Matt Damon.

In the movies, he has starred in blockbuster studio franchises (Ice Age and John Wick), revered indies (Poison and Chef) and cult classics (Super Mario Bros. and To Wong Foo, Thanks for Everything! Julie Newmar). On TV, he has been on hit network shows (ER) and acclaimed limited series (Waco and When They See Us). And on the stage, he has written and starred in six acclaimed one-man shows. Between them all, he has accumulated an Emmy Award and a special Tony Award, as well as Golden Globe and Critics Choice award nominations.

But Leguizamo has never received an Oscar nomination — something that might well change as a result of his latest turn as the blind loyal servant of Odysseus in The Odyssey, which has been described by The Hollywood Reporter as “a delicate, moving, heartbreaking performance… that emerges as the heartbeat of the film” and by the Wall Street Journal as “the performance of his career.”

Over the course of this episode, the youthful 66-year-old reflected on his journey from Bogotá to Jackson Heights to Hollywood, and how his discovery of comedy and acting saved; how he managed to make early inroads into the business, despite the reluctance of people to cast Latinos as anything other than stereotypes; and why he hated working on ER, loved being part of the Ice Age series and Encanto, and was invited to play the villain Vulture in Spider-Man: Homecoming — before being uninvited.

He also went deep on The Odyssey: why it meant so much to him that Nolan decided to employ non-traditional casting for the film; how he prepared to play a blind and elderly man; what it was like acting in the first film shot entirely with IMAX cameras; how he processed seeing the film — and his performance — for the first time; plus more.

Here are his thoughts on a few assorted matters…

On the trans character that he played in To Wong Foo, Thanks for Everything! Julie Newmar…

“I shouldn’t be playing it today. Yeah, no, it’s not fair. There’s plenty of great LGBTQIA actors out there that could play these roles and should be playing these roles. But that was back then, that was the ’90s.”

On who can play which roles in 2026…

“In a fair world, which it never is, everybody should be able to play anything. But the thing is that nobody gets to play anything except white cisgender males. They were never casting disabled actors ever. And now directors that I know, friends of mine, make it a mandatory thing to cast one disabled actor, to create a role for them. How great is that for them? They wouldn’t cast gay actors, even in gay roles they wouldn’t, that’s the way it was. In Latin roles, a lot of white actors were taking Latin roles in brownface for the longest time, since Touch of Evil with Charlton Heston in brownface with the black mustache. It was crazy. So I think, in this moment of correction, and perhaps it’s an overcorrection, it’s important that we cast the people who are written as the role and give them the opportunities. I really believe that. And then maybe eventually, when things are fair, then everybody can play everything all over again.”

On Nolan’s decision to employ nontraditional casting for The Odyssey…

“Now that ancient story that’s so powerful to Western literature belongs to everyone, and how beautiful is that? How generous is that? How open and inviting is that, to have Lupita Nyong’o play twins, Clytemnestra and Helen of Troy, and Travis Scott be the bard, and Corey Hawkins be Polybus, one of the evil suitors?”

On being uninvited from 2017’s Spider-Man: Homecoming…

“They offered me Spider-Man, the Vulture, and then the head of the studio called me, ‘Oh, John, this is really terrible.’ We had already negotiated. We had accepted terms. I hadn’t signed a contract, but we had accepted terms. It was pretty far along negotiations. And she said, ‘We’d like the role back. Michael Keaton wants it back.’ And I was like, ‘What the fuck is this?” I’ve never heard of such a crazy thing.’ I could have sued, but my reps are all cowards. It could [also] backfire. I mean, I’m not a litigious person anyway. That’s not who I am. I’d rather move on and create my own stuff.”

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Skydance To Make Paramount & Warner Bros. Lots Specialized In Film, TV

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Television and streaming are primed for a major upgrade — getting a whole historic lot all to themselves. The settlement in the state AGs’ lawsuit requires Skydance, the combined company of Paramount and Warner Bros. Discovery, to keep both the Paramount and Warner Bros. lots for at least the next five years.

During a press event on the Paramount lot Tuesday, hours after the merger had closed, Skydance CEO David Ellison revealed that the two lots, each historically and currently housing film and TV, would be organized differently.

“We absolutely will keep both lots, and you’ll probably see us organize film on one, television/streaming on another, and we’ll go back and forth between the two, as well as to the East Coast when required, as well as our Santa Monica offices for animation,” he said of himself and Skydance co-CEO Ynon Kreiz.

Ellison would not elaborate further but based on the sizes alone — Warner Bros. in Burbank being significantly larger than the Hollywood-based Paramount — film would likely be based on the Paramount lot and television and streaming on the Warner Bros. lot, I hear.

Such delineation would also jibe with Paramount — and its iconic arches — being steeped in movie history and a symbol of the golden era of cinema as the only major studio still located in Hollywood.

The division would mean status quo for Dana Goldberg and Josh Greenstein, co-chairs the the motion picture group, who are based at Paramount, and Channing Dungey, head of Warner Bros. Television Group and Skyance’s basic cable networks, who is at Warner Bros.

It would require a cross-town move for George Cheeks, Co-Chair and Chief Content Officer, Skydance TV; JB Perrette, Co-Chair & Chief Business Officer, Skydance TV and DTC; Casey Bloys, Co-Chair and Chief Content Officer, DTC; as well as CBS Studios President David Stapf and Paramount TV Studios President Matt Thunell and their teams.

Putting all TV operations together would bring CBS Entertainment, CBS Studios and CBS Media Ventures back to a studio lot after the divisions left CBS Studios Center (Radford) after it was sold in 2022 to relocate to the Sunset Gower offices in Hollywood that also house other Paramount units.

Then there are the combined streaming operations that will greatly benefit from moving into one place as they are currently scattered into several locations between HBO Max and Paramount+, including HBO’s offices in Culver City, the Paramount lot, and the Nickelodeon West Coast headquarters in Burbank.

Skydance’s Direct-to-Consumer division, headed by Bloys and Perrette, could move to the Warner Bros. Second Century Development adjacent to the Warner Bros. lot where HBO had intended to relocate before the WBD sales process put the process on hold.

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Saoirse Ronan Addresses Rumor That Husband Jack Lowden Has Been Cast As The New James Bond

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Saoirse Ronan is addressing a rumor that her husband, Jack Lowden, has been cast as the next James Bond.

In a new interview, Ronan was asked about Lowden portraying the 007 agent in the film franchise.

“Well, Gary Oldman thinks he’s James Bond,” Ronan said in an interview with the Associated Press.

She continued, “[That’s] its own thing. We’re kind of getting on with our life, to be honest. We have plenty of other things to be dealing with. So, yeah, it’s not really a subject that’s coming up in our house, to be honest. The dog needs to be walked, the dinner needs to be made—we’re most focused on that.”

Lowden’s name came up during an interview in September, when Oldman said he wanted his Slow Horses co-star to take on the iconic action role.

“It’s been rumored that he’s on the shortlist,” Oldman told Global News. “We’re going to find out pretty soon, aren’t we? Because they have picked him. They have made their choice, but they have not announced it yet. So my fingers are crossed for Jack.”

Ronan herself has pitched herself to play a villain in the James Bond universe.

“I want to go dark,” she told Empire. “I said that I wanted to be a Bond villain and I’m dead serious.”

She continued, “I think it would be really interesting, having a young female villain. Especially for girls and women, to see someone who can just take all that pent-up anger and direct it somewhere, there’s something interesting in that dramatically. So I would love to do more of that.”

In March of this year, Deadline reported that Nina Gold had closed a deal to become the casting director for the next James Bond film. Gold’s credits include HBO’s Game of Thrones, the Netflix series The Crown, and five films in the Star Wars franchise.

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George Cheeks Teases Skydance TV Strategy In Memo To Staff

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George Cheeks, who has a shiny new role in the Skydance corporation, called the first day of the combined Paramount and Warner Bros. Discovery the “start of a new chapter”.

In a memo to staff, Cheeks, who is now Co-Chair and Chief Content Officer, Skydance TV, teased the strategy of the new division that now includes CBS, Warner Bros. Television Studios, CBS Studios and Paramount Television Studios, CBS News, CBS Sports, TNT Sports and Warner Bros. Discovery Sports.

“By bringing together Paramount and Warner Bros. Discovery, we’ve assembled a remarkable collection of television brands, networks and studios, backed by some of the most talented teams in the industry,” he wrote.

Cheeks did not particularly go into detail on the new structure and his direct reports in the note, but Deadline revealed a few days ago that Channing Dungey, who was Chairman and CEO, Warner Bros Television Group and US Networks, will now also oversee the Paramount cable networks such as MTV, Comedy Central, Nickelodeon and BET as well as VH1, Paramount Network, TV Land, CMT, Pop TV and Logo TV.

The former NBCUniversal exec, who is also in charge of CBS Studios, run by David Stapf, and Skydance TV, run by Matt Thunell, called the Skydance Television group an “unmatched mix of networks, studios, platforms and programming genres.”

He said that the TV studios, which will remain separate, for now, at least, will continue to “create franchises, premium originals and unscripted hits that entertain viewers of all ages and interests”.

He also lauded CBS, which he said “remains a cornerstone”. He praised the sports operations, which will now be run by CBS Sports boss David Berson, with TNT Sports chief Luis Silberwasser exiting.

Cheeks also called CBS News, run by editor-in-chief Bari Weiss, “one of the most important brands in journalism, delivering national and worldwide news across broadcast, streaming and digital”.

The cable side now features more than 50 channels. “There are too many standout shows to name individually, but one thing is clear: the breadth and quality of programming across this group is unrivaled, spanning some of the most watched, most acclaimed and most award-winning in the industry,” he added.

Cheeks admitted that staff is eager to hear more about the leadership, structure and strategy and said that more details will be shared soon.

“This is a moment of transition. With that comes uncertainty. The stress of this is not lost on me. Expect to hear more on our structure and priorities in the weeks ahead,” he wrote. “The work ahead is significant, and so is the opportunity. I am energized by the possibilities. Together, we’ll build on our collective strengths to create an even stronger future.”

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